tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post2199322823989622940..comments2024-03-18T19:57:16.505-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/18/24: Statue of limitationsNeil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-14240809221676885762020-07-27T15:48:26.601-05:002020-07-27T15:48:26.601-05:00At first I thought David was a royal jerk for sayi...At first I thought David was a royal jerk for saying the things he did, but after reading his explanation I see he had his reasons. Nice of you to print them NS.Janethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15373960140777556685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-80495586484144027382020-07-27T12:08:06.154-05:002020-07-27T12:08:06.154-05:00Grizz and Ed P.,
Neil's friend, Northwestern ...Grizz and Ed P.,<br /><br />Neil's friend, Northwestern English professor Bill Savage, is a fan and proponent of the word "jagoff." While Pittsburgh gets full credit for the term in Wikipedia, here is some background about it, accompanying an in-depth analysis of Chicago exemplars co-written by Mr. Savage. "The Lumpen Field Guide to Chicago Jagoffs." <br /><br />https://issuu.com/lumpenmagazine/docs/lumpen124_web.compressed Jakashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-61038396486152116952020-07-27T09:58:08.621-05:002020-07-27T09:58:08.621-05:00Normally, I adhere strictly to Mike Royko's ed...Normally, I adhere strictly to Mike Royko's edict about never taking a bazooka to a flea. But in David's case, I decided to make an exception. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-68014724553913557812020-07-27T08:58:36.318-05:002020-07-27T08:58:36.318-05:00Hell hath no fury like an outraged son and grandso...Hell hath no fury like an outraged son and grandson, venting his holy wrath at one of the dead grandfather's journalistic CO-WORKERS. Sounds like David is being the jagoff here. Maybe he's even progressed to the assholistic category.<br /><br />Best thing you could have done to royally piss David off, Mr. S, would have been to ignore and delete his tirade, like you do with all those Storm Trumpers, especially the one who writes in longhand on his wife's stationery.<br /><br />But instead, since you're the proprietor here, you published it at your own discretion, and now the world, or at least those of us in this little corner of it, can readily see what a total shmuck Kup's grandson must be.<br /><br /> Can you imagine someone still bragging that he's Irv Kupcinet's grandson? The guy with statue by the river? Imagine how he must feel when he hears: "Uh, yeah...okay...cool...Irv who? A kuppa what?"<br /><br />I betcha, after reading this blog post, and David's responses to it, both his father and grandfather would be laughing their asses off. Not with him, but at him. Thanks for the day-brightener, Mr. S...Grizz 65https://www.blogger.com/profile/02892702223228764894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-61182553921705289872020-07-26T22:08:26.005-05:002020-07-26T22:08:26.005-05:00Well, that clears it up then. Well, that clears it up then. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-37293277028255531492020-07-26T21:17:40.114-05:002020-07-26T21:17:40.114-05:00Neil,
1) I called you an asshole because you’ve ne...Neil,<br />1) I called you an asshole because you’ve never been nice to me. You always treated me as an afterthought when we’ve spoken and I guess my point is made by the fact that you don’t know we’ve ever met, which is ridiculous.<br />2) I called you ignorant due to the main thrusts of both your article and this reply. I say it because the article you wrote takes absolutely nothing of todays context into consideration and reads as a list of statues we can get rid of because Neil Steinberg doesn’t care about them. Well some people care, obviously not you, but some people. What you ignore is that there is no current movement to get rid of statues that are old and that YOU don’t care about. The movement is to get rid of statues of slave owners and confederate traitors but your article frames it as just a nationwide push to get rid of old statues because eh, who cares? Well here’s my issue with this; it’s not the statue. The statue was already removed for months for an unknown reason and none of us threw a fit. But what you fail to recognize is that during this time of racial strife, during this climate where statues of slave owners are being torn down, you advocate for the elimination of the statue of a man who was one of the first to give Martin Luther King Jr a televised platform, who sat down on TV with Elijah Muhammad to discuss his new book in 1964, and who broke the story that MLK and Dick Gregory had been arrested in Alabama. You advocate removing Kups statue, a man who was referenced in Malcolm Xs autobiography as being one of the few respectable white journalists at the time who valued civil rights, and who was written a letter by MLK thanking him profusely for the opportunities provided. In this climate of racial strife, this is when you can callously and nonchalantly suggest we get rid of the statue of a man who spent the second half of the twentieth century fighting for and advocating for civil rights because eh, you don’t care? I find that shockingly ignorant and in no way cognizant of the climate in which we currently exist. <br />3) Finally, I called you a jagoff because it was extremely offensive and insulting that you’d make assumptions of and write about my father in your article without even stopping to remember that he was already dead. You can say you didn’t know, but I emailed you after he passed. Never got a reply. <br />4). Keep your cheesecake. Dave Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03119832963864651007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-51416075754408480442020-07-26T17:22:52.124-05:002020-07-26T17:22:52.124-05:00I still remember when Alderman Roman Pucinski refu...I still remember when Alderman Roman Pucinski refused throw his block's support for a MLK holiday in Chicago unless Casimir Pulaski got one as well. And the brouhaha over the Polish jokes told in the movie Flashdance. Ah, those were the days. Makes me want to get my buddies over to help me change some lightbulbs.<br />PadraigElliothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02129677070567100371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-89299054300680043422020-07-26T17:00:18.300-05:002020-07-26T17:00:18.300-05:00One of the more obscure TV outlets is running an U...One of the more obscure TV outlets is running an Untouchables marathon tonight. Italian Americans beware!<br /><br />johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-21653725282299662552020-07-26T16:15:29.681-05:002020-07-26T16:15:29.681-05:00"The most embarrassing stereotype of an Itali..."The most embarrassing stereotype of an Italian-American I've ever seen heads up the FOP."<br />nicely played.pgwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03804745965409667786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-13152208223354518072020-07-26T14:23:25.530-05:002020-07-26T14:23:25.530-05:00As far as I'm concerned, all monuments - at le...As far as I'm concerned, all monuments - at least those to individual persons - should be removed. I can understand memorials to specific wars or historic events, but do we need a statue of every obscure general that no one has heard of and doesn't really care about? Just put some plaques up in the newspaper buildings memorializing Kup or Royko and at Sox Park and Wrigley showcasing Jack Brickhouse or whatever (maybe they already do) and leave it at that. Sharihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08682070791854744446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-42120532171606706942020-07-26T13:51:58.589-05:002020-07-26T13:51:58.589-05:00If you count the Fox Valley as "here", t...If you count the Fox Valley as "here", there's Fermilab--the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, located just outside Batavia. It's a huge U.S. Department of Energy national laboratory, specializing in high-energy particle physics. <br /><br />One of my high school buddies, after earning his credentials at Chicago and Stanford, worked out there. The long winter commutes from the inner-ring western suburbs may have influenced his decision to move to Seattle. Grizz 65https://www.blogger.com/profile/02892702223228764894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-74377506184226881262020-07-26T13:48:56.540-05:002020-07-26T13:48:56.540-05:00Unless David Kupcinet is from Pittsburgh, he shoul...Unless David Kupcinet is from Pittsburgh, he should really refrain from using the word jagoff, as his use of it might be considered cultural appropriation. <br /><br />Of course since Neil Steinberg is from Cleveland he does have an excellent claim to the epithet, it's just that Kupcinet shouldn't be the one throwing it. Ed P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08587757371758033796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-84876147823253001762020-07-26T13:34:12.782-05:002020-07-26T13:34:12.782-05:00At least one of those "You know you're fr...At least one of those "You know you're from Chicago when..." lists probably includes:<br /><br />"You get pissed at some guy and you call him a jagoff."<br /><br />That's an insult that's pure Chicagoese. I grew up using it, everybody I knew used it, and you know right away that somebody was from Chicago when they used it. <br /><br />I lived in a dorm for a year with guys from Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, the Eastern seaboard, and New England. None of them said it. Or had ever heard it. Only two other guys were the exceptions, and they were both from the North Shore suburbs. Everybody else said jackoff or jerkoff, which is what I always hear in Cleveland. <br /><br />Way to go, David! Ya gotta be a Sha-caw-go native! Cuzz ya tawk the tawk!Grizz 65https://www.blogger.com/profile/02892702223228764894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-68430987895297856602020-07-26T12:57:56.229-05:002020-07-26T12:57:56.229-05:00One of the nice things about history is that our u...One of the nice things about history is that our understanding of things can improve- we can better understand what happened and who did it.<br /><br />We don't need to be stuck with the dumb understandings of the past. Columbus was a genocidal maniac. We can acknowledge that, and act accordingly, regarding the monuments we have to him.scottmprizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05005945296255906630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-71030644623379994242020-07-26T12:12:35.279-05:002020-07-26T12:12:35.279-05:00"Sympathizing with yourself is no accomplishm..."Sympathizing with yourself is no accomplishment." Words to live by.<br /><br />You referred to the Veronica Lake/Gary Cooper incident reported by Kup in one of your books, and I recall feeling it somewhat objectionable. Not that it didn't happen, or she didn't mean it -- he was a good looking guy. But some mention might have been made of her difficult life, bedeviled by alcoholism and possible schizophrenia.<br /> <br />TomTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-31737955863235512162020-07-26T12:07:00.429-05:002020-07-26T12:07:00.429-05:00I don't know if it is because I almost always ...I don't know if it is because I almost always agree with your viewpoint but I totally agree with what you've written. Plus, I always admire your style. Keep up the great work. You are an amazing writer but most importantly you think things through. kgwizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01732841584022204939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-22972213755120372802020-07-26T09:40:05.050-05:002020-07-26T09:40:05.050-05:00To the minor point: Count me as someone who thinks...To the minor point: Count me as someone who thinks our fondness for statuary overall is excessive.<br /><br />To the major point: We, all of us, human beings, look too much to the past, and not enough to the future. Yes, yes, precedent and prologue, still, project the trend line out and it could use some course correction. And soon.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06939468809703630844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-72608891340703166772020-07-26T09:32:51.241-05:002020-07-26T09:32:51.241-05:00Black lives matter.
We are not currently witness...Black lives matter. <br /><br />We are not currently witnessing as powerful a movement towards a similar understanding that indigenous peoples lives matter . The demand by protesters involved in the BLM actions to put some energy into demanding the removal of statues celebrating the vanguard of European imperialism that started the genocide in the Americas is noble. I'm of Italian heritage I'm not butt hurt about it. FMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06829632906445535928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-59827558459760926402020-07-26T09:04:54.812-05:002020-07-26T09:04:54.812-05:00food for thoughtfood for thoughtprivatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18413982311699012802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-71734937597319635182020-07-26T06:33:34.148-05:002020-07-26T06:33:34.148-05:00I think a statue of Enrico Fermi, an Italian who l...I think a statue of Enrico Fermi, an Italian who left Mussolini's Italy & then came to Chicago to build the world's first nuclear reactor, would be a far better representation of Italians, than Columbus. Fermi left Italy to protect his Jewish wife, despite the fact that Mussolini personally said he would keep her from being harmed by the Nazis. <br />And I still want Balbo Dr. renamed for Fermi, as nothing is named after him here, except a physics institute at the University of Chicago.Clark St.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09634234069783123180noreply@blogger.com