tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post432180541511326844..comments2024-03-28T01:35:19.028-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/28/24: Happy New Year, and follow the damn lawNeil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-36662918550646301592018-01-02T08:43:19.338-06:002018-01-02T08:43:19.338-06:00We absolutely can shut out anyone who refuses to r...We absolutely can shut out anyone who refuses to respect fellow citizens' civil rights. <br /><br />Cakes aren't part of religious or civil marriage ceremonies. They are part of celebrations AFTER a marriage has occurred, and while no bake should be forced to ice words or offer gay toppers, there is no excuse for a public business to refuse service to a member of the public.<br /><br />Evangelicals have been pulling this nonsense by sending "true believers" to pharmacy school so they can refuse to dispense birth control.<br /><br />The customer's civil rights must be respected by any public accommodation Caren Tarvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17652372965671115486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-64772523057555600222017-01-02T07:21:41.350-06:002017-01-02T07:21:41.350-06:00OH no, anything but the puppets. ;)OH no, anything but the puppets. ;)Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-34500946281182444002015-01-03T16:35:42.193-06:002015-01-03T16:35:42.193-06:00try substituting "black" for "gay&q...try substituting "black" for "gay" in any of your above posts, david. still work for you?mellowjohnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-41784055211868659762015-01-03T12:25:38.702-06:002015-01-03T12:25:38.702-06:00As a formal federal clerk, I can assure you that t...As a formal federal clerk, I can assure you that the judge, not just his staff, wrote that order. And I'm not so sure that the courthouses can even just get out of the wedding business. That didn't work when all the cities in the south decided to close down their public swimming pools rather than integrate them.<br /><br /> But I'm really distracted by the stained glass windows, which must be Tiffany. From where? Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07065709548202393526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-77237801256718742182015-01-03T09:12:43.144-06:002015-01-03T09:12:43.144-06:00I don't think that most people would say that ...I don't think that most people would say that refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple is the equivalent of killing someone else. And from a practical perspective, you cannot totally shut out of society the 38% or so who are opposed to gay marriage. There has to be some other alternative which does not leave gays in the position of second class citizens. But, I suspect you are right. Government sanctions will probably have to be used to compel businesses to treat gays fairly.<br /><br />From my perspective, it's such a stupid situation. If we are called to love our neighbors, then that extends to gays as well. Conservative religious groups have the right to ask their members to only have sex with their spouse of the opposite sex. That this often does not happen in practice is well known. But even if that were not the case, religious groups do not have the right to insist that everyone else must adhere to their particular principles.David P. Grafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-23283118099838009242015-01-03T07:07:58.076-06:002015-01-03T07:07:58.076-06:00Why not? If my conscience says that I can guiltles...Why not? If my conscience says that I can guiltlessly murder you, based on my sincere religious principles, how much do you believe society should respect my beliefs? Bigots force themselves into that situation. The problem is that society once catered to it, and now is drawing away in revulsion from it.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-33900977101811875602015-01-02T22:50:55.124-06:002015-01-02T22:50:55.124-06:00While I am in favor of gays being able to marry, I...While I am in favor of gays being able to marry, I am not sure that forcing people into a situation where they have to violate their conscience or lose their livelihood and leave society is a good answer.David P. Grafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-78225105282590185422015-01-02T20:00:15.586-06:002015-01-02T20:00:15.586-06:00I read that some courthouses in some Florida count...I read that some courthouses in some Florida counties are now refusing to perform *any* marriage ceremonies so that they don't have to get icky gay cooties all over them. They have to issue licenses to gay couples, but they can refuse to perform marriages, apparently, so long as they refuse everyone. <br /><br />Shades of Virginia closing its public schools to avoid having to integrate them. (They issued "tax vouchers" to white parents that could be used at white-only "private" schools. Every time I read someone advocate for vouchers, I think of that illustrious history.)Bitter Scribenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-1058436544150280562015-01-02T17:55:34.056-06:002015-01-02T17:55:34.056-06:00Not understanding that religious convictions can b...Not understanding that religious convictions can be used as a smokescreen to cover almost any immoral behavior. An argument every cult leader sleeping with children has trotted out. Those whose religious scruples make them unable to function in society are welcome to leave it, like the Amish. Nobody forces them to drive, and they don't. But they don't work as bus drivers and refuse to drive.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-34733096829037115652015-01-02T17:24:18.993-06:002015-01-02T17:24:18.993-06:00They'd reply in the same vein about about libe...They'd reply in the same vein about about liberals using government to force people to violate what they consider to be their religious convictions. David P. Grafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-50071148501013087402015-01-02T12:03:02.648-06:002015-01-02T12:03:02.648-06:00Yet, it's the anti-government crowd who are mo...Yet, it's the anti-government crowd who are most insistent on government intervention in the way of laws to enforce their bigotry, sorry, protect their values.WendyChttp://twitter.com/WendyCCHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-45630722655254230282015-01-02T07:47:36.170-06:002015-01-02T07:47:36.170-06:00More like traffic school meets Allen WestMore like traffic school meets Allen WestAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16528933631707846476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-26129027457512314912015-01-02T07:08:29.653-06:002015-01-02T07:08:29.653-06:00It seems to me that many conservatives and liberal...It seems to me that many conservatives and liberals are "flexible" when it comes to various issues. Both are willing to use the government to enforce their views. Both are willing to break the law when they disagree with it. That's the tragedy of our politics. David P. Grafnoreply@blogger.com