tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post537399238030479187..comments2024-03-28T15:05:10.372-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/28/24: Every baby is allowed to carry a whipNeil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-42097702047355857752018-09-29T23:23:37.378-05:002018-09-29T23:23:37.378-05:00I see a bright future for Ross. Weren't you fi...I see a bright future for Ross. Weren't you fired (at least) once? Wheaton maybe? Hey, you're <br />nobody until you've been fired.Stephen Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07415184028913400057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-70723565112283811712017-09-26T19:06:32.829-05:002017-09-26T19:06:32.829-05:00Thanks for showing the other side, Bernie. I can s...Thanks for showing the other side, Bernie. I can see points on both sides. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-69007738566331494602017-09-26T16:53:16.196-05:002017-09-26T16:53:16.196-05:00Tom: I love the erudition you bring to this blog. ...Tom: I love the erudition you bring to this blog. <br /><br />johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-2228537715086872752017-09-26T16:28:12.029-05:002017-09-26T16:28:12.029-05:00On the matter of enduring criticism William Wycher...On the matter of enduring criticism William Wycherley, after a long career as a successful playwright published a book of poems that was criticized savagely in the press. His young friend Alexander Pope wrote a consoling letter in which he noted that "As every beggar must have his cur, so an author will have a critic."<br /><br />On the "dull, repetitive and counterproductive" comments Ross received, one shouldn't expect a semblance of wit in that source. Actually, the well crafted insult is more a British than American thing. One thinks of the modern master of the form, Evelyn Waugh, who, on hearing that Winston Churchill's deeply unpopular son had been in hospital having a non-malignant tumor removed wrote: "It says something about modern medical science that the doctors were able to locate the only part of Randolph Churchill that isn't malignant and remove it."<br /><br />Tom <br /><br /> Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-86830878149849384992017-09-26T12:50:19.644-05:002017-09-26T12:50:19.644-05:00It keeps entering my mind that these awful memes a...It keeps entering my mind that these awful memes are the shocking sort of things that fourteen year old boys enjoy sharing. Adults recognize their only worth is shock value and the feel of the forbidden. Weak minds would accept the memes as truth, perhaps be persuaded to a higher degree of intolerance. Which seems to rule the country these days. Chaos creates great opportunitied for those craven enough to grab for it. okiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05414998405758030304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-83448092161171355282017-09-26T11:00:54.993-05:002017-09-26T11:00:54.993-05:00Funny though...these are the same kind of people w...Funny though...these are the same kind of people whose idea of a hilarious prank is to steal the membership list of the campus gay students group and send postcards to all the kids' neighbors back home "outing" them. But when it comes to their own ideas, by God you'd better respect their privacy.<br /><br />I second Tony regarding your son's writing skills.Bitter Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645909858616987997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-12422562239033067162017-09-26T10:42:18.356-05:002017-09-26T10:42:18.356-05:00He certainly isn't taking the easy road, that&...He certainly isn't taking the easy road, that's for certain. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-7076364132685848842017-09-26T10:40:43.543-05:002017-09-26T10:40:43.543-05:00I am. I am. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-43022797884652454762017-09-26T10:38:47.833-05:002017-09-26T10:38:47.833-05:00Ain't that the truth. Trouble is, in the inter...Ain't that the truth. Trouble is, in the internet age cowards are hiding in plain sight.<br /><br />Ross writes well, Neil. You must be proud.Tony Galatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944671504245191140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-8138810856561858132017-09-26T10:18:58.185-05:002017-09-26T10:18:58.185-05:00It's a matter of audience. What you say to you...It's a matter of audience. What you say to your pals, hidden on a secret site, is not necessarily what you want to be identified with in public. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-39734306852529361972017-09-26T10:05:07.657-05:002017-09-26T10:05:07.657-05:00Let me get this straight: Milo Whatever sic'ed...Let me get this straight: Milo Whatever sic'ed his minions on your son for calling attention to a bunch of memes that they approved of (and maybe even made or shared themselves)? You'd think they'd be grateful for the attention.<br /><br />If I didn't know better, I'd think that they realize, deep down, how despicable and repulsive their ideas are.Bitter Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645909858616987997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-17804720301816127852017-09-26T09:30:11.898-05:002017-09-26T09:30:11.898-05:00Thanks for sharing. Your son is to be commended fo...Thanks for sharing. Your son is to be commended for his ethics.Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-41450726790443305132017-09-26T09:24:03.167-05:002017-09-26T09:24:03.167-05:00Wow that was opaque! I don't how much of what ...Wow that was opaque! I don't how much of what they imply is true but what I've gotten from this is that the your son shares many of his fathers qualities. And he's what 21? My guess is the kids' gonna go far! Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831580101168618303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-81769724662097041412017-09-26T09:03:41.101-05:002017-09-26T09:03:41.101-05:00Annie:
Maybe it's your device that's the ...Annie:<br /><br />Maybe it's your device that's the problem, but I edit my comments all the time, even if not often enough. You just have to select preview and then press the "edit" button.<br /><br />johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-79441644346499870652017-09-26T08:02:52.661-05:002017-09-26T08:02:52.661-05:00That would depend on what that speech is, would it...That would depend on what that speech is, would it not? The content. "Go team!" No problem. "Let's burn down the library!" Problem<br /><br />First of all, your example really establisheds the problem with trying to discuss Free expression. No one is offended by " Go Team" now are they? And your other example is one of the few examples of an exception to constitutionally protected speech. <br /><br />"Let's burn down the library" may be inciting violence one of the very few exceptions to Constitutionally protected free speech. And it really has to be IMMEDIATE incitement. Something likely to result in immediate action. The non plus ultra example would be " Shoot that man he has a gun and is about to kill everybody." What constitutes " incitement" is something that causes someone to act immediately without much thought. Your parallel example shouldn't be "Go Team" but "We should really think about whether the library should be torched since it contains so many offensive books" <br /><br />More importantly what you had in the situation your son wrote about , from what I could tell, was hate speech. Not speech that was constitutionally unprotected. <br /><br />Saying ( and I'm Jewish,so I use this as examples) "Jew are horrible people and we should pass laws to throw them all into internment camps" is absolutely protected. So would vile "jokes" about Jews and the Holocaust or any other absolutely disgusting statement or picture. <br /><br />Most college students today ( there was a recent study about this) are unaware that Hate speech is constitutionally protected. I find that very very troubling. <br /><br />Is your son bothered by a speech code that says it's ok to punish " offensive " speech? What if that is interpreted to include taking a knee on school grounds near a flag? <br /><br />Ps: sorry about the deleting. The text is so tiny when I comment its hard to see errors. I wish I could simply edit. Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831580101168618303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-1650697099460216362017-09-26T07:37:50.064-05:002017-09-26T07:37:50.064-05:00The publication isn't run by the school, but i...The publication isn't run by the school, but is a private group. He's not so much in trouble as he's violated the code of the wolf pack he ran with. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-53903850373272765992017-09-26T07:36:55.989-05:002017-09-26T07:36:55.989-05:00That would depend on what that speech is, would it...That would depend on what that speech is, would it not? The content. "Go team!" No problem. "Let's burn down the library!" Problem. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-85699910573165687602017-09-26T07:36:02.412-05:002017-09-26T07:36:02.412-05:00Depends on whose version you accept. The Claremont...Depends on whose version you accept. The Claremont Independent put out a rather opaque statement that suggests Ross pressured them into running the piece, simultaneously claiming they were always going to run it but he forced them to do it.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-43576181857582716372017-09-26T03:22:38.020-05:002017-09-26T03:22:38.020-05:00I'm completely baffled as to why your son is t...I'm completely baffled as to why your son is the one who got into trouble over blowing the whistle on this crap!<br />Some of those images he posted, I've received in emails, especially the ones about Muslims & their perceived inability to live peacefully with others.<br />Most of them are just classic forms of sick, black humor, not black in the racial sense, but black in that it's perverted, which can often be funny. And a few of those shown are funny! And sick.<br /><br />As Ricky Riccardo would say, Pomona College has some 'splaing to do! <br />I'll bet I get attacked by the snowflakes for that line!Clark St.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09634234069783123180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-29111433684695208992017-09-26T00:45:04.644-05:002017-09-26T00:45:04.644-05:00Other questions. Do you think that universities sh...Other questions. Do you think that universities should punish students for their speech? Public universities can't. Should elite privates who hold themselves to a standard of " free expression" punish speech? <br /><br />Fascinating questions. As for me I'm a free speech absolutist. I'm appalled by the President suggesting that people should be fired for a non-violent protest. I'm even more appalled by the op-ed in the WAPo stating that Congress should punish the NFL for allowing this speech to occur. <br /><br />However I'm also dismayed by college students who think that Hate Speech isn't Constiutionally protected speech ( private institutions can squelch speech, but should they? ) And I'm not saying Ross didn't understand that if he were at Berkley his call for repercussions would have been inappropriate...even if the speech was a violation of a speech code, but far too many smart college kids are unclear on the subject.Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831580101168618303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-70353244162961488422017-09-26T00:33:27.603-05:002017-09-26T00:33:27.603-05:00Wait, huh. WHY did they fire him? Did he violate a...Wait, huh. WHY did they fire him? Did he violate a rule or standard of the paper? Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831580101168618303noreply@blogger.com