tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post5813541099027845258..comments2024-03-28T12:17:25.603-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/28/24: Sweet victory turned sourNeil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-57048801996923024052016-06-09T20:13:48.212-05:002016-06-09T20:13:48.212-05:00Muslim Muslim Muslim.
Satisfied?Muslim Muslim Muslim.<br /><br />Satisfied?Bitter Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645909858616987997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-20330805467903085242016-06-09T19:50:03.791-05:002016-06-09T19:50:03.791-05:00Looks like people are afraid to say the word Musli...Looks like people are afraid to say the word Muslim here.Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-3963581795792860442016-06-09T17:04:04.964-05:002016-06-09T17:04:04.964-05:00"In Jerusalem hatred has often been another f..."In Jerusalem hatred has often been another form of prayer." Amos AlonTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-8318156300535603762016-06-09T15:40:16.104-05:002016-06-09T15:40:16.104-05:00Anybody with a special hot-line to heaven is hard ...Anybody with a special hot-line to heaven is hard to like.<br /><br />johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-52432726743042271852016-06-09T15:26:21.100-05:002016-06-09T15:26:21.100-05:00I find the hard-liners on both sides repulsive.I find the hard-liners on both sides repulsive.Bitter Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645909858616987997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-9051899704645776662016-06-09T10:09:57.411-05:002016-06-09T10:09:57.411-05:00"But when the chosen people grew more strong,..."But when the chosen people grew more strong,<br />The rightful cause became the wrong." Dryden 1681<br /><br />I suppose it's easy to look at the situation dispassionately if one isn't a Jew, but the history of colonial occupation suggests that Israel will ultimately find the cost of ruling a hostile population too high. <br /><br />Tom EvansTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-12850167979140425122016-06-09T09:29:55.949-05:002016-06-09T09:29:55.949-05:00What I've found about the history of the Middl...What I've found about the history of the Middle East is that the more I learn about British and French political games there and yes, T.H. Lawrence and his Arab friends, along with German and Ottoman maneuverings, not to speak of the various insurgent Jewish groups over the years and the current goofyness of right-wingers here and there, the more bewildered I become. Paying attention is equivalent to taking Dante's inferno seriously.<br /><br />johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-14728806300635549242016-06-09T07:30:02.474-05:002016-06-09T07:30:02.474-05:00My feeling in 1967 -- and maybe I got it all wrong...My feeling in 1967 -- and maybe I got it all wrong -- was that Israel grabbed the land to use as a bargaining chip, as in "Now they'll HAVE to make peace with us to get their land back." But of course the Arabs just saw the Palestinians and the conquered territory as pawns in their long game of trying to annihilate Israel. Over the years, Israel's position hardened and now it is stuck. If it gives back the land, it will have armed and hostile neighbors much closer to its citizens than they are now. If it doesn't, it will continue to lose face in the world.bobbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15630155350181764731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-31311757569148130342016-06-09T06:24:56.567-05:002016-06-09T06:24:56.567-05:00living in a country seized from its previous inhab...living in a country seized from its previous inhabitants myself. i try to understand oppression from the point of view of the victor. wanting to keep what i have gained its easier to villify the vanquished than acknowledge my role in seizing their land . while americans displacement of the original people here is further in the past and most tribes have very little power compared even to the palistinians . its hard to find a country not founded on displacement and aggression. though israelis do sometimes seem singled out for disdain, its hard to find sympathy for the aggressor. i disagree with neil that palestinians will never take back the land they lost. the birthrate there indicates that certainly it will happen . its hard to take the side of the palestinians harder still the side of the israelis . i honestly have no skin in the game nor a dog in the fight. the future will show the eventual outcome. it could take decades or centuries. FMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06829632906445535928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-49600789163208790702016-06-09T00:18:12.874-05:002016-06-09T00:18:12.874-05:00Israel has been totally incompetent at public rela...Israel has been totally incompetent at public relations for most of the last 40 years.<br />After Abba Eban left the scene, they didn't have a single spokesman who spoke decent English until Netanyahu, but since he's right wing, no one outside of Israel cares to listen to him. All of Israel's high ranking politicians of that period spoke with that atrocious guttural accent when speaking English, while the Arabs always managed to have someone who spoke with either an American accent or far more likely, a very distinct British accent, known as "received pronunciation", which the the way BBC people talk. And if you can't get your message out in a way that people can understand it, they won't even hear it.<br /><br />There was also a terrible TV ad campaign for tourism about 30 years ago, that was obviously done totally in Israel, with zero American input. When I saw it, all I could do was laugh at it! The images simply were bizarre to an American mindset, not what we were used to in a tourism ad & it flopped.<br /><br />It seems to me, that Israel has put all its energy into working to have Congress support it & have the wacko evangelicals support it, even though the sole reason the wacko evangelicals support Israel is that they expect all the Jews to either convert or die in the final battle of Armageddon, which they expect at any moment. <br /><br />You're not going to do well with the general public if your main non-Jewish supporters are batshit crazy!Clark St.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09634234069783123180noreply@blogger.com