tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post8701090874207530566..comments2024-03-28T22:15:17.067-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/29/24: Texas notes: Stolen carNeil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-82318152582991075822020-05-17T23:23:31.864-05:002020-05-17T23:23:31.864-05:00In the late Sixties there was, very briefly, an &q...In the late Sixties there was, very briefly, an "underground" newspaper called the "Roger Spark"--which is also the way some native Chicagoans pronounce the name of the city's far northeast corner. The hippie rag didn't last long, but I still like to use its name occasionally, just for the hell of it.Grizz 65https://www.blogger.com/profile/02892702223228764894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-63182492717107791112020-05-17T12:13:36.671-05:002020-05-17T12:13:36.671-05:00Well, I'm going to pointlessly vote for the &q...Well, I'm going to pointlessly vote for the "freak flag" team in this argument, in quivering opposition to both our patient host and the writer of the post. I've got no axe to grind about this, having never lived in RP, and certainly agree that people can call places whatever they want. But, on the merits of the case, it seems to me that Clark St. is right about Rogers Park needing no "East" modifier, and FME adds essential perspective. I lived in "Lakeview East" at the same time that Neil did, but I never called it that, though I believe he does. That being said, Neil's good friend, Twitter's "Rogers Park Man", Bill Savage, fully aware of the formalities with regard to Rogers Park and West Ridge, uses the term East Rogers Park when he feels like it, if I'm not mistaken. Jakashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-36082118502713969792020-05-16T21:20:41.980-05:002020-05-16T21:20:41.980-05:00Well said! Thanks Grizz. Well said! Thanks Grizz. Carenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948322374348472360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-69489489552259500272020-05-16T21:04:39.887-05:002020-05-16T21:04:39.887-05:00Clark St complains about the coded language of dev...Clark St complains about the coded language of development , gentrification and exploitation that has been part of the language of exploitation for generations of speculators who rename parts of neighborhoods in the city to cue folks looking for a "better neighborhood" that there are fewer poor folk and people of color in a certain area. It's a losing battle to speak truth to power as even the lesser amongst us get coopted into their game. It's about elitism and status . That's how the Lincoln Park neighborhood and others got larger and uptown and Humboldt park shrunk. Wave your freak flag Clark st.! FMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06829632906445535928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-87512534023215303612020-05-16T16:42:22.501-05:002020-05-16T16:42:22.501-05:00Always ask the man who knows. My grandmother lived...Always ask the man who knows. My grandmother lived at Glenwood and Estes from 1956 to 1962. Her neighbors called it East Rogers Park, as did her family. I lived at Pratt and Ashland in the early Seventies. I called it East Rogers Park, and so did everybody else. In the mid-Eighties I lived on Albion, between Western and California, in what was known as West Rogers Park, even by the immigrants who barely spoke English. <br /><br />Ridge Avenue is the dividing line on the official city maps. East of Ridge is labeled "Rogers Park" on those maps, and everything to the west is officially called "West Ridge"...for west of Ridge, I suppose. But who the hell has ever called it that? Not nobody. Not no-how. <br /><br />The East-West split has nothing to do with snobbery, train stops, official city maps, or anything else. A place or a landmark may be officially and legally named one thing, but called something else entirely by the people who live there. The nomenclature used in everyday speech is what sticks. Thus, ERP and WRP...and it has always been thus, as far back as I can recall. And that's a long way back--almost 65 years.Grizz 65https://www.blogger.com/profile/02892702223228764894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-16868692046540638092020-05-16T12:55:38.717-05:002020-05-16T12:55:38.717-05:00Yes she was. I concur, Poet. Yes she was. I concur, Poet. Carenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948322374348472360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-29369397234661918622020-05-16T12:55:08.674-05:002020-05-16T12:55:08.674-05:00Thank you for being here! Thank you for being here! Carenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948322374348472360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-81497120074382702292020-05-16T12:54:41.597-05:002020-05-16T12:54:41.597-05:00Stolen Car refers to the Beth Orton lyric I quoted...Stolen Car refers to the Beth Orton lyric I quoted. Thanks for being here Les!Carenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948322374348472360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-90716419631281038742020-05-16T12:53:32.280-05:002020-05-16T12:53:32.280-05:00I was born and raised there, worked at the Heartla...I was born and raised there, worked at the Heartland. I will call it ERP til the day I die.<br />You are welcome to your opinion to of course! Just won't be editing. <br />Carenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948322374348472360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-56580603008912900062020-05-16T11:56:35.681-05:002020-05-16T11:56:35.681-05:00It has never been called East! The L station used...It has never been called East! The L station used to have signs that read "Morse - Rogers Park" The Metra station is Rogers Park. The local chamber of commerce is Rogers Park. The East garbage started when people from West Rogers Park didn't want to be associated with Rogers Park & started that crap! For some insane reason, some people in Rogers Park picked up that stupidity! <br />I prefer to shame them for their mistake. <br />After all, won't you correct someone if they said you lived in Northfield, even though Northbrook is in Northfield Township.Clark St.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09634234069783123180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-34275719555698623722020-05-16T11:38:32.418-05:002020-05-16T11:38:32.418-05:00I warned her yesterday that there was a fusspot wh...I warned her yesterday that there was a fusspot who would leap up and tell her she didn't know where she was born, and we both decided that, heck, why deny you the pleasure of castigating people for calling a place something different than what you call the place. Because we all know that place names don't change, and people don't use terms other than the official term for where they live.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-21339609165836908592020-05-16T09:51:04.326-05:002020-05-16T09:51:04.326-05:00Oy vey! Yet another person who wrongly calls Rog...Oy vey! Yet another person who wrongly calls Rogers Park, "East Rogers Park"! <br />There isn't an "East Rogers Park, unless the lake goes away.Clark St.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09634234069783123180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-84887169178462586442020-05-16T09:46:34.003-05:002020-05-16T09:46:34.003-05:00EG was locked up and then deported, just as activi...EG was locked up and then deported, just as activists are today. (That didn't completely stop her.) I also think there's hope. BadRussianPoethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10801796178061403156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-59379750068700376112020-05-16T08:45:55.263-05:002020-05-16T08:45:55.263-05:00Thank you for this wise and moving writing. I appr...Thank you for this wise and moving writing. I appreciate your honesty and the value of digging in. I’m inspired!Debi Winston Buzilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14995979072573934034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-40469639631191265232020-05-16T08:38:17.468-05:002020-05-16T08:38:17.468-05:00Neil, thanks for including Caren in your EGD blog....Neil, thanks for including Caren in your EGD blog. This one somehow seamlessly segues from autobiography to social commentary with an inspiring message. Not sure what the stolen car has to do with it. Probably went over my head... like many things. Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16679840606511726447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-26696692094480826752020-05-16T08:09:32.058-05:002020-05-16T08:09:32.058-05:00Now I can see why my "friends" on Facebo...Now I can see why my "friends" on Facebook keep gravitating back to downplaying or even dismissing the seriousness of the pandemic and its consequences for the less fortunate, while cheering Trump's perceived triumphs in conquering the virus. Their inconvenience is real and painful, the illness and deaths of thousands here and possibly millions worldwide don't count and therefore can't be happening. Thanks, Caren.<br /><br />john tatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06215684866966011198noreply@blogger.com