tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post2644052432971936487..comments2024-03-29T05:29:08.934-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/29/24: Many schools support Student Walkout. And then there's Northbrook...Neil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-32796149534896274252018-03-15T19:43:48.578-05:002018-03-15T19:43:48.578-05:00In 1969, the court ruled that students do not “she...In 1969, the court ruled that students do not “shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate,” as Justice Abe Fortas put it in the majority opinion for Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District.<br />FMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06829632906445535928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-8994364620515332412018-03-15T09:02:59.345-05:002018-03-15T09:02:59.345-05:00To paraphrase Mark Twain; First, God made the Idio...To paraphrase Mark Twain; First, God made the Idiots, this was for practice. Then, God made School Boards.<br /><br />School Adminsitration positions always seem to attract tinpot dictator personalities for some reason. <br /><br />I work in admin, just a month or so ago I had to remind some teachers that is was highly illegal to reprimand a student who sat for the pledge....Interested Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04686192811380975495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-60466681491416759432018-03-14T22:30:39.491-05:002018-03-14T22:30:39.491-05:00Boomers owe an apology to the students protesting ...Boomers owe an apology to the students protesting today. We started out strong on a revolutionary path, recognizing the national errors and attempting new solutions. But over time we got greedy and/or lazy and now racists and Trumpists are undoing whats left of our revolution. I am so proud of the young people picking up the neglected torch. Their actions will be an embarrassment to the fools threatening detention to children protesting being targets. Power to the Young People!JPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-61010128805719975562018-03-14T20:25:02.499-05:002018-03-14T20:25:02.499-05:00That's why we called them Half-Hour Hates...yo...That's why we called them Half-Hour Hates...you were supposed to turn the school spirit on and off like a faucet, and do the same thing when you did your "hating on" the "enemy"...Smash New Trier!(or whomever). And yes, having to be there was something of an oxymoron...like giant economy size or jumbo shrimp.Grizz 65noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-11156246541717355122018-03-14T18:50:17.646-05:002018-03-14T18:50:17.646-05:00Resist the temptation, Tom. That's too close t...Resist the temptation, Tom. That's too close to the "what about black-on-black violence" nonsense that conservatives use to deflect and derail discussion about gun laws, police shooting and who knows what else.Bitter Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645909858616987997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-56234363544865327602018-03-14T18:43:37.528-05:002018-03-14T18:43:37.528-05:00Except that other mass shootings did not result in...Except that other mass shootings did not result in this massive response at the national level. Race and social class do play a role in the acceptance of shootings in certain Chicago neighborhoods, obviously.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04541828632284556589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-102578130624640442018-03-14T18:18:15.314-05:002018-03-14T18:18:15.314-05:00Yep.Yep.Tony Galatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944671504245191140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-62562315975844239042018-03-14T14:10:45.122-05:002018-03-14T14:10:45.122-05:00I'd be surprised if anyone refused to serve a ...I'd be surprised if anyone refused to serve a detention. They'll more likely wear it as a badge of honor.Tony Galatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944671504245191140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-23411741820294269732018-03-14T13:57:37.145-05:002018-03-14T13:57:37.145-05:00The situation offers a temptation to practice Soci...The situation offers a temptation to practice Sociology by observing that a suburban school shooting involving a high powered rifle, a relatively rare event, has evoked a politically potent response when the daily carnage of urban handgun violence has not moved the political needle. Could race and social class be factors?<br /><br />TomTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-74716929974821331462018-03-14T13:17:49.275-05:002018-03-14T13:17:49.275-05:00"Mandatory pep rally" seems a bit of an ..."Mandatory pep rally" seems a bit of an oxymoron...like "compulsory volunteer work."Bitter Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645909858616987997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-65699320168143501682018-03-14T11:32:05.069-05:002018-03-14T11:32:05.069-05:00The rally was at the football field next to the sc...The rally was at the football field next to the school building. Not sure what will happen when kids refuse to serve the detentions.J. Pabsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566801024154623288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-72403540253559221022018-03-14T11:18:55.947-05:002018-03-14T11:18:55.947-05:00Wow...there are still pep rallies? Mandatory pep r...Wow...there are still pep rallies? Mandatory pep rallies? Ours were originally optional and held after school. But attendance was miserable, and the rallies were mocked. So they became mandatory, and were held in the morning. The wannabe-beatniks, who had all read their Orwell, called them "Half-Hour Hates", and derided our terrible teams with snarky remarks.<br /><br />Our one protest was in sympathy for a wise-ass who was decked by an athletic coach. The parents sued the school district and the coach, and the teachers threatened to strike if the school didn't back their colleague. A small number of students (including me) walked out and sat down on the front lawn. They were greeted by local police and film crews from all four Chicago TV stations, as high school protests were virtually unheard-of in 1964.<br /><br />A day or two later, the assistant principal waved a file folder in my face and warned me that my participation would become an entry in my "permanent record", and I was ordered to serve hours of after-school detention. <br /><br />Was it all about control, back in those innocent years? Hell, yeah. And I'd give almost anything to get a peek into that yellowed file, assuming it's still stored somewhere. Nah...that's unlikely. It probably exists in some government agency's database now.<br /><br />Bravo to these kids. My only criticism of them is that they waited so long. They should have walked out en masse the very next day.Grizz 65noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-88470694480800711282018-03-14T10:42:16.670-05:002018-03-14T10:42:16.670-05:00A piece of this that everyone seems to miss is tha...A piece of this that everyone seems to miss is that if there are consequences for leaving the building during the school-day, the kids are no longer just protesting, they're practicing civil disobedience. Much more exhilarating. When they serve their detentions, they'll be pumped up all over again. <br /><br />No matter which way school administrators chose to handle the walkout, the kids are a force to be reckoned with. It's a truly inspiring movement.Tony Galatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944671504245191140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-4685289538432385792018-03-14T10:37:26.330-05:002018-03-14T10:37:26.330-05:00Too often "zero tolerance policies" mean...Too often "zero tolerance policies" mean zero brains. It seems like the Northbrook folks are among the unfortunately huge group of school administrators who need to get over themselves.Bitter Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04645909858616987997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-90111879252365458632018-03-14T10:02:24.263-05:002018-03-14T10:02:24.263-05:00And football players could take a knee on Monday m...And football players could take a knee on Monday mornings. But sometimes it makes more sense to avail yourself of your rights when the timing makes a collective statement. <br /><br />I applaud the students for voicing their concerns and for giving fair warning of their intentions so as to reduce disruption. I applaud those schools who accommodated them and encouraged civic engagement. (Teachers, staff, and administrators benefit from safer schools as much as students.)Coeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06130250489695215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-38496107533300988542018-03-14T09:21:21.025-05:002018-03-14T09:21:21.025-05:00Count High School District 99 in Downers Grove amo...Count High School District 99 in Downers Grove among the intolerant, closed-minded, repressive districts. Students there who participate will be punished with detentions.J. Pabsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11566801024154623288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-59991093618736357652018-03-14T08:57:09.766-05:002018-03-14T08:57:09.766-05:00I empathize with the students, and other activists...I empathize with the students, and other activists like Father Pfleger, who protest gun violence. But like NFL players kneeling to protest civil rights injustices, without a thoughtful follow through plan of action it ultimately will not produce the desired outcome. My personal philosophy is we have the protection of the Bill of Rights, use them or lose them. And the basement is a no go it's school property. And it would make a good hook for a news story, students defy the Administration and protest anyway.Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157600812959885192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-2667641433335563502018-03-14T08:46:50.182-05:002018-03-14T08:46:50.182-05:00Even though I'm 100% in favor of the student p...Even though I'm 100% in favor of the student protests, it seems disingenuous to claim they are not political. Betcha dollars to doughnuts that some right-wing kids somewhere some time soon will want to walk out in support of gun rights and will whine like crazy if they're not allowed to make as much noise as their opponents.<br /><br />johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-65024510731692370062018-03-14T08:20:11.726-05:002018-03-14T08:20:11.726-05:00Yeah, they also have the freedom to conduct their ...Yeah, they also have the freedom to conduct their protest in the basement. You're kinda missing the point to protest, Bernie. You have the freedom to try a bit harder to understand and empathize. I would consider using it. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-34559499420269111212018-03-14T07:55:16.249-05:002018-03-14T07:55:16.249-05:00The students have the First Amendment free speech ...The students have the First Amendment free speech right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances. They have the freedom to wait until school is over to hold their protest. There is not a thing the Administration could do about it without violating the rights of the participants.Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157600812959885192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-81949547432473634162018-03-14T07:01:16.795-05:002018-03-14T07:01:16.795-05:00Certain educators seem to think they are running a...Certain educators seem to think they are running a prison. Props to Loyola Academy for understanding the real mission of education. And props to the colleges ( MIT, Harvard, Tulane...to name just a few) that thumbed their noses at small minded schools who threaten to punish students who walk out by announcing that if a student gets suspended or otherwise disciplined for a walkout like this, it would not be considered any kind of demerit in the college’s eyes Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14474266910424269151noreply@blogger.com