tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post6481452168794640879..comments2024-03-28T06:41:07.968-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/28/24: What are you holding firm, Bobby? Neil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-33753237025615531102016-04-27T16:58:37.778-05:002016-04-27T16:58:37.778-05:00I think Jindal's appeal must be some kind of l...I think Jindal's appeal must be some kind of linkage between his physical appearance and the Southern drawl. On the other hand, when Ted Cruz speaks, I can't help but think of Mr. Haney on "Green Acres".LOAfrom025https://www.blogger.com/profile/13419108407677152744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-42353096836990008332015-05-01T09:50:43.102-05:002015-05-01T09:50:43.102-05:00The chapel at the Virginia Military Academy.The chapel at the Virginia Military Academy.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-28815735281140465952015-05-01T09:50:22.446-05:002015-05-01T09:50:22.446-05:00The chapel at the Virginia Military Academy.The chapel at the Virginia Military Academy.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-20396509053408375152015-04-27T19:25:20.674-05:002015-04-27T19:25:20.674-05:00Indiana's state laws don't prohibit discri...Indiana's state laws don't prohibit discrimination against gays, but Indianapolis and several other cities have ordinances that do. Indiana's RFRA, as originally passed, would have allowed bigots who were sued under those ordinances to use Jeebus as a legal defense.Bitter Scribenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-37504981132656929342015-04-27T17:09:46.726-05:002015-04-27T17:09:46.726-05:00The trouble with Jindal's political pandering ...The trouble with Jindal's political pandering (because that's exactly what this is) is that it makes no sense. "Individuals" cannot reject the basic rights of other "individuals" merely because their religion doesn't recognize their right to exist. We've seen what happens when that's taken to extremes. And it's not government coercion to stand up for the individual, but it is when government bodies create laws that allow discrimination for any reason. You must tolerate our intolerance and suffer indignity and rejection in the name of "whatever"? Not gonna happen.WendyChttp://twitter.com/WendyCCHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-50496025434596139942015-04-27T16:52:48.762-05:002015-04-27T16:52:48.762-05:00a-n-a-are you an attorney?a-n-a-are you an attorney?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-13232625944068235652015-04-27T16:24:21.334-05:002015-04-27T16:24:21.334-05:00A-n-A,
I sit corrected. Thanks for the reply. S...A-n-A,<br /><br />I sit corrected. Thanks for the reply. Since the first thing you wrote today was "Again, while I support adding gays to civil rights protections...", I won't ask you why sexual orientation shouldn't be among the factors addressed by civil rights laws. Though this does highlight the work that needs to be done in the U.S. before the average Joe or Jill is likely to be very deeply concerned about which country one's rum comes from...Jakashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-26793387009174180822015-04-27T15:05:40.875-05:002015-04-27T15:05:40.875-05:00ANA-you're right, being denied a wedding cake ...ANA-you're right, being denied a wedding cake isn't on the same plane as some of the more serious instancesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-47462232846354423972015-04-27T14:29:23.977-05:002015-04-27T14:29:23.977-05:00PS - Tangent, but hopefully an interesting one. H...PS - Tangent, but hopefully an interesting one. Homophobia on sportstalk radio was a constant presence until just a couple of years ago. I complained to Mitch Rosen at the Score all the time about the use of "gay" and "f--" (in the form of "f---ity") as insults. Went in one ear and out the other, but it disappeared in lightning fashion (I'd say in the course of one year). Anon-not-Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-85304403706299926822015-04-27T14:19:30.743-05:002015-04-27T14:19:30.743-05:00I said "relatively" peripheral - compare...I said "relatively" peripheral - compared to the right 1) to legally be gay, 2) have the rule of law standing between me and those who would beat me up, 3) marry, and 4) have housing and employment nondiscrimination protections (which in many states does not yet exist), no, I don't think being denied wedding cake is on the same plane. Of course, it's more than serious than that because you can envision more serious scenarios (e.g., a rural area with only one car repair shop), and I wrote a while back that I supported extending civil rights law protections to gays because the Constitution *doesn't* protect them from this kind of discrimination. I merely said I perceive that it's not simply "domestic vs. foreign" at play that accounts for how gay rights gets played in the media. FWIW, I'm far more critical of the Christian response to *real* persecution going on in the world compared to the attention they give the "Huckabee agenda," even if it were true. <br /><br />Jackash - legally it's a more complicated situation, because the Constitution doesn't prohibit such private discrimination and I don't think Indiana's state laws do either - in a sense this measure by Pence was a redundancy just to feed his base. Here's a piece directed to a similar Arizona initiative: http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/21/news-flash-its-already-legal-to-deny-ser <br /> Anon-not-Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-30571757459802941482015-04-27T13:36:25.961-05:002015-04-27T13:36:25.961-05:00My God, yes. Even Dick Cheney is probably on the ...My God, yes. Even Dick Cheney is probably on the side of the angels on this one.<br /><br />Johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-30122410649640393102015-04-27T13:18:29.530-05:002015-04-27T13:18:29.530-05:00A-N-A -- It's your "relatively-peripheral...A-N-A -- It's your "relatively-peripheral" that jars. If it were your rights, it wouldn't be so peripheral. And remember, this is an issue created by the Republican right. As far as most of America -- including most Republicans under 50 -- this is a solved issue, and we passionately would love to talk about some of our more significant problems. As one commentator pointed out, the segment of the economy devoted to making wedding cakes is very small. But then, so is the number of people shot by police. The news is not a meritocracy. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-62059739482841030332015-04-27T13:17:27.465-05:002015-04-27T13:17:27.465-05:00Well, I don't know if somebody will save Mom&#...Well, I don't know if somebody will save Mom's Cakes, but many folks were more than happy to chip in toward the $842,387 reportedly donated to that pizza place in Indiana... Ain't that America, sad to say?Jakashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-41459315432183583262015-04-27T13:11:55.715-05:002015-04-27T13:11:55.715-05:00good one, Scribegood one, ScribeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-36502831161470971942015-04-27T13:09:42.493-05:002015-04-27T13:09:42.493-05:00Bobby Jindal is not being talked about as a candid...Bobby Jindal is not being talked about as a candidate for president of Jamaica. I'm an American and I'm a lot more concerned what goes on in my own country,which is a democracy in which I share collective responsibility as a citizen, than I am with what goes on in Jamaica or Iran or anywhere else. These "what about...?" arguments are nothing but stupid attempts to change the subject.Bitter Scribenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-2192345465414586862015-04-27T12:56:13.381-05:002015-04-27T12:56:13.381-05:00You leak oil sometimes.You leak oil sometimes.Bitter Scribenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-79210635429855734592015-04-27T12:55:59.341-05:002015-04-27T12:55:59.341-05:00How is Mayberry USA's economy supposed to rema...How is Mayberry USA's economy supposed to remain solvent if Mom's Cakes is hounded out of business for refusing to write a cursive "Congratulations Adam and Steve" in frosting? I mean, have you ever stopped to ask yourself what portion of our GDP is generated by mom-and-pop bakeries? I'm guessing, by the amount of attention they're getting, probably, I dunno, 50%?<br /><br />This battle seems to be as much about people hanging on to a nostalgic picture of family-owned storefront businesses as it is about religious persecution. To hear Jindal and others tell it, Wal-Mart hasn't driven Ed's Hardware and Mom's Cakes out of business; nope, it's gays, driving them out of business by attempting to buy goods from them that they don't wish to sell. Won't somebody save Mom's Cakes?The Good Old Dayshttp://www.something.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-8804258224385517612015-04-27T12:30:25.037-05:002015-04-27T12:30:25.037-05:00not sure if the word lazy is right thoughnot sure if the word lazy is right thoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-40777451963212700392015-04-27T12:14:45.969-05:002015-04-27T12:14:45.969-05:00well said, Jakash, esp. on your first post well said, Jakash, esp. on your first post Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-36597016320403001032015-04-27T11:52:55.431-05:002015-04-27T11:52:55.431-05:00Jefferson may have been a Deist at heart, but he s...Jefferson may have been a Deist at heart, but he spent most of his life as a practicing Episcopalian. It doesn't matter. If Deists had a set of Commandments -- which they didn't-- he still would be against using the power of the state to enforce them. In a more explicit statement of his views he wrote: "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own"<br /><br />Pius XI did take a dim view of Hitler and was souring on Mussolini when he died, but his successor was a very political Pope, who didn't want to do anything to antagonize the dictators when they seemed to have an upper hand. It's doubtful that he did anything to help Jews. Italians were never very enthusiastic anti-Semites, and there were no Italian death camps, but the situation created by the Race Laws led to Italian authorities turning over some 10,000 Jews to the German Army for shipment up north.<br /><br />Tom EvansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-46133652650717996532015-04-27T11:51:01.811-05:002015-04-27T11:51:01.811-05:00Interesting that the first commenter cries "C...Interesting that the first commenter cries "CENSORSHIP" in his rant! To the battlements, oppressed Crusaders! Except, uh, it's a pretty curious form of censorship that is exemplified by the censored person placing an op-ed in the New York Times...Jakashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-56386621822652779492015-04-27T11:43:31.504-05:002015-04-27T11:43:31.504-05:00Good points, well presented -- as usual, A-n-A. B...Good points, well presented -- as usual, A-n-A. But I think Neil's rebuttal is valid, as well. It may be inconsistent and lazy, to whatever extent, but it's also unsurprising that, in this navel-gazing nation, folks address the issues that are right in their navel rather than those taking place with regard to furreners someplace else. I, for one, have never been to Jamaica, nor do I have any plans to go there, but I've spent more time in Indiana than I care to admit. ; ) Plus, we've got a Constitution that is supposed to protect minorities HERE, which is why it's so galling to see the governor of Indiana try to get around it; that document doesn't apply to folks in other countries.Jakashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-84627671186809806252015-04-27T11:34:53.315-05:002015-04-27T11:34:53.315-05:00What church was that taken at, NS?What church was that taken at, NS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-21555331406439687472015-04-27T11:33:30.735-05:002015-04-27T11:33:30.735-05:00well some Pope was venerated for helping Jews some...well some Pope was venerated for helping Jews some, not sure whichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-41946562185465349272015-04-27T11:18:23.162-05:002015-04-27T11:18:23.162-05:00Great photo. I don't think I'd open my ya...Great photo. I don't think I'd open my yap about "love thy neighbor" in that venue. It's in Kentucky, right? The State that has laws against laws against tobacco.<br /><br />Johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.com