tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post8252373028746523857..comments2024-03-28T01:35:19.028-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/28/24: "Bear one another's burdens"Neil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-55492784261331203392015-12-22T10:11:12.438-06:002015-12-22T10:11:12.438-06:00Neil - I think that you are right that Graham did ...Neil - I think that you are right that Graham did not do all that he could have regarding civil rights. However, given the times, it was a revolutionary act to have integrated crusades and to have bailed MLK out of jail. Graham was a product of his times where racism was so much a part of the society that it was taken for granted. Baby steps they might have been but necessary to open the door to greater steps. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-77689480554212203412015-12-22T09:07:44.143-06:002015-12-22T09:07:44.143-06:00Extremism is a curse for whatever religion it lodg...Extremism is a curse for whatever religion it lodges itself into. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-14002933051525255112015-12-22T08:22:59.744-06:002015-12-22T08:22:59.744-06:00OT - sad indeed
BEERSHEBA, Israel (AP) — When Avi...OT - sad indeed<br /><br />BEERSHEBA, Israel (AP) — When Avihay Marciano completed his schooling, he didn't know how to use a computer or speak English and had only elementary math skills. Now, Marciano and 50 others who left the insular ultra-Orthodox community are suing the state, claiming they were denied a basic education and left lagging far behind secular Israelis.<br /><br />The case has shined a light on Israel's separate education system for the ultra-Orthodox, which experts say is keeping a sizeable chunk of Israelis from integrating into the workforce and is a ticking time bomb for the country's long-term economic health.<br />Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-61810968738545426642015-12-22T08:11:49.390-06:002015-12-22T08:11:49.390-06:00Used to be pals with some and had to dump them aft...Used to be pals with some and had to dump them after a while. They were too nutty, unlike those in mainline religions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-26757008310392462322015-12-21T18:50:48.903-06:002015-12-21T18:50:48.903-06:00Some of the conservative "Christians" I ...Some of the conservative "Christians" I know are foaming at the mouth.The Daily Yammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15401376768342541616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-8587789689135761812015-12-21T14:53:46.257-06:002015-12-21T14:53:46.257-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-34335241791173808282015-12-21T14:49:23.220-06:002015-12-21T14:49:23.220-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-63698077332276515172015-12-21T14:47:57.250-06:002015-12-21T14:47:57.250-06:00I get it that Christ died for our sins and belief ...I get it that Christ died for our sins and belief in him will preserve us from the wrath of God -- meaning an uncomfortable afterlife. But am not sure why this invalidates the notion of a single deity. As a practical matter, many of us consider ourselves to be Christian because we ascribe to the moral teachings of Jesus but can't really bring ourselves to believe in what Jefferson referred to as the supernatural aspects of the faith. Christ was, in my view, the most humane of the prophets and would approve of Ms. Hawkins' gesture because it embodies kindness. He would, unlike the rulers of Wheaton College, probably give her minor doctrinal transgression a pass. <br /><br />Tom Evans Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-64121703607605279702015-12-21T14:46:29.100-06:002015-12-21T14:46:29.100-06:00Of course that goes for mainline Prots., not the f...Of course that goes for mainline Prots., not the fundamental fanatics that sound like Puritans. Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-7812972046513375492015-12-21T14:45:58.735-06:002015-12-21T14:45:58.735-06:00You are correct he refused to hold segregated rall...You are correct he refused to hold segregated rallies. The bailing out MLK is news to me, but he certainly failed to respond to the greater Civil Rights struggle. One swallow does not a summer make.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-40476119316825828372015-12-21T11:16:13.342-06:002015-12-21T11:16:13.342-06:00Others representing Wheaton should really speak fo...Others representing Wheaton should really speak for them not I. However, it has been an opinion held by many Christians over the centuries that non-Christians do not truly worship God and that God does not hear their prayers. In fact, some have said that non-Christians are worshiping demons. This should bring back for you memories of the pogroms justified by the rejection of Christ by Jews. Of course, you wonder how they square that with Christ's statement to love their neighbor but I digress.<br /><br />In my opinion, the concept of God as represented in Islam does not match the concept of God as represented in Christianity any more than does the conception of God held in the LDS church (Mormons) and so forth. However, it is not for me to determine who is acceptable to God and who is not. That is God's prerogative not mine. Instead, I am called to love God, others and to share the good news with respect and gentleness. If someone does not want to listen to the gospel, that's their choice and I have to respect it. I leave judgment in God's hands. I believe in a final judgment but not that I am the judge. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-6458407755659453442015-12-21T10:36:44.730-06:002015-12-21T10:36:44.730-06:00But it's a torture logic. It's as if I sai...But it's a torture logic. It's as if I said that Republicans live in a different country than I do, because they come to politics through a different perspective. I can disagree with their worldview, and do, But if I suggest they live in another nation I've drifted away from reality. If Muslims don't worship the same God as Christians, then they by definition worship a different one. But Wheaton College doesn't recognized a different one -- maybe it's their way of saying that unless you're Christian you don't worship God, because only their God is real, which I suppose would be par for the course too. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-46023056504004643542015-12-21T10:30:27.030-06:002015-12-21T10:30:27.030-06:00The concern of the Wheaton administration is appar...The concern of the Wheaton administration is apparently over the idea that if Christians are worshiping the same God as the Muslims, then that reflects a denial of the idea that one can come to God only through Christ. If anything, Pope Francis making a similar statement automatically raises the hackles of many evangelicals. As for myself, I leave matters like this in God's hands. Like C.S. Lewis, who is highly prized for some reason at Wheaton, I agree with him that: “We do know that no person can be saved except through Christ. We do not know that only those who know Him can be saved by Him.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-65602708491689517552015-12-21T10:25:13.405-06:002015-12-21T10:25:13.405-06:00I just had my "Steve Harvey" moment when...I just had my "Steve Harvey" moment when I referred to "Neal" instead of "Neil". Or, maybe, it's just premature senility. My apologies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-20518603122568504032015-12-21T10:23:24.998-06:002015-12-21T10:23:24.998-06:00Neal - Billy Graham has screwed up badly and unlik...Neal - Billy Graham has screwed up badly and unlike some other evangelists he's been willing to admit it. However, Graham did confront the issue of racism. He integrated his crusades and personally removed the barrier lines back in 1953. He bailed MLK Jr. out of jail after he had been arrested during a civil rights demonstration. Graham refused to lead any crusades in South Africa for two decades until it was finally permitted to be integrated. Graham was wrong on a lot of things but not this point.<br /> David P. GrafAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-58153307693548183762015-12-21T10:21:23.264-06:002015-12-21T10:21:23.264-06:00It's nice to know that God has evolved...or no...It's nice to know that God has evolved...or not depending on the religion.<br /><br />The Catholics from Zorn's blog always defended their God as the one, true god, as if the creation Holy Trinity nullified past versions. Yet, they cling to the prejudices of the Old Testament, from the god of Abraham and later Muhammad.<br />Go figure.<br /><br />I think Wheaton should be renamed Salem College.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04541828632284556589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-6989983980265029632015-12-21T10:12:36.090-06:002015-12-21T10:12:36.090-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-40856732017105131602015-12-21T09:56:05.053-06:002015-12-21T09:56:05.053-06:00I thought the same. This little thing called "...I thought the same. This little thing called "The Reformation."<br /><br />And if Billy Graham was something of a closet bigot, his son Franklin doesn't bother to hide it. Islamophobia is only one of his enthusiasms.<br /><br />These uncharitable Christians bring to mind something said by Walter Bagehot, author of 'The English Constitution' and an early editor of 'The Economist:' "Nothing is quite so unpleasant as a virtuous person with a mean mind." <br /><br />Tom EvansTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-17404360267584832982015-12-21T09:45:26.675-06:002015-12-21T09:45:26.675-06:00Back when Eric Zorn's blog still had easy-to-s...Back when Eric Zorn's blog still had easy-to-submit comments, there occasionally would be a post involving religion, and the number of folks who insisted that Muslims, Jews, and Christians did not worship the same god was pretty high. It's always hard to parse Internet comments, but I gathered that the general theology behind it was that somehow the existence of the Christian Trinity changed the deity that spoke to Abraham into a different deity -- that the God of the Torah/Old Testament no longer existed now that God was Father/Son/Holy Spirit. To be sure, this doesn't match any theology I ever read/heard back when I studied religion, but folk theology does catch on for reasons good and ill. It would be interesting to learn if this is the theology recognized by Wheaton College.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03634642987617262810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-67683118146878471692015-12-21T08:48:57.832-06:002015-12-21T08:48:57.832-06:00I was thinking the reference to Pope Francis might...I was thinking the reference to Pope Francis might have been more damning that the "people of the book" statement.<br /><br />johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088632798195131329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-84847014165992409312015-12-21T08:20:30.443-06:002015-12-21T08:20:30.443-06:00Some years back they fired an English teacher beca...Some years back they fired an English teacher because she converted to Catholicism...oh dear!Privatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757585399827295128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-34566879554446759212015-12-21T07:36:11.568-06:002015-12-21T07:36:11.568-06:00Another awesome article Neil.Another awesome article Neil.Kurt Schollehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715592045543714982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-89306130905795075062015-12-21T07:12:53.551-06:002015-12-21T07:12:53.551-06:00When I was in Wheaton Symphony, the middle concert...When I was in Wheaton Symphony, the middle concert was show tunes w vocalists. One year we performed "The Night They Invented Champagne," and "Damn, Dman, Damn. I've Grown Accustomed to Her Face." Holy cow were the pearls clutched at that. The conductor was told if we ever played such dirty works again we would lose the performance space. If they were so freaked out at a song, I can see them overreacting about this profs post. NikkiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226032148784322997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-45113984355941613172015-12-21T06:57:44.593-06:002015-12-21T06:57:44.593-06:00It's always heartening to hear about the explo...It's always heartening to hear about the exploits of people of virtue, like Larycia Hawkins. If Wheaton College administrators harbor any doubts about the wisdom of their decision, perhaps they will be reassured when the scum crawl out of the woodwork to congratulate them.Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157600812959885192noreply@blogger.com