tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post8902469022714808354..comments2024-03-28T04:49:59.527-05:00Comments on Every goddamn day: 03/28/24: "You want war, we want peace"Neil Steinberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-66262602142252101222014-07-27T08:40:11.380-05:002014-07-27T08:40:11.380-05:00O.K. But there's that big word "people&qu...O.K. But there's that big word "people" again. I'm not one of those "people". I guess the Polish gentleman is. And being a Jewish newspaper columnist, I expect you hear from many like him. But it would surprise me to learn that they make up a sizeable segment of the present population, something I wouldn't have been able to say even in my own early lifetime. There may indeed be a lot of latent anti-Semitisim about, but it hasn't, so far, found its way into the press or the halls of Congress. To Mr. Graf's point, I read a lot of newspapers of all political complexions, and have not detected any wave of enthusiasm among "liberals" for Hamas rockets, even in the Guardian.<br /><br />Forgive the many typos in my last post. It was late.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-4639114733226189402014-07-26T21:40:32.672-05:002014-07-26T21:40:32.672-05:00You're missing the point Tom. People sympathiz...You're missing the point Tom. People sympathize with the Palestinians who don't sympathize with any other downtrodden group. Not the Kurds. Not the Tibetans. Nobody. Why? And they sympathize with them in a big, impassioned way. Again why? I have a Polish gentleman who phones me every night, at work, and leaves a rant against the situation in Israel. Maybe, as you suggest, he has taken the trouble to understand why Palestinians hate Israelis. Maybe it is based on his big-hearted interpretation of the facts. But I know that's bullshit. Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-62221959234222661332014-07-26T16:41:48.514-05:002014-07-26T16:41:48.514-05:00I'm sure you didn't intend that Neil, but ...I'm sure you didn't intend that Neil, but suggesting than people who take the trouble to understand why Palestanians hate Israelis -- as some Israelis hate Palestinians -- are for that reason bigoted is probably not helpful. Somehow there's going to have to be an end to all this, and outsiders of good will who have an inkling of what both sides might be willing to give up for peaceors are going to have to play a part.<br /><br />I suppose if I were a Jew I would be tempted to believe that sympathy for Palestinians is just another manifestation of historical anti-Semitism...but would hope to put aside the temptation, as an unfelpful oversimplification. It's my understaning that there are people in Israel who don't suscribe to all the policies of the present government, which I assume doesn't make them "self-hating Jews."Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641357239788323783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-87447145810926432682014-07-25T16:25:30.820-05:002014-07-25T16:25:30.820-05:00I tweeted a line from Dante that I believe speaks ...I tweeted a line from Dante that I believe speaks to this, "The populace shall blame the injured party, as it always does." (Paradiso, XVII). Israel has been wronged by its neighbors for 66 years, 2/3 of a century. The Palestinian situation is a manifestation of that. Nobody presses Egypt to embrace Gaza -- it owned Gaza before 1967. No, it's all Israel's fault. I don't find it amazing. The mantra I use for understanding this is four words: "They hated us before." When Jews were tailors and grocers and farmers in Poland, their enemies painted them as an evil cabal that ruled the world. So how much more inflamed would they be if they form a country, defend it, inflict casualties? Of course the world goes nuts. Of course they pretend their scorn is earned. Every bigot who ever lives does that.Neil Steinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11468057838260476480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-51407484064999913002014-07-25T11:03:51.938-05:002014-07-25T11:03:51.938-05:00Neil,
You have a lot of wisdom which is on displa...Neil,<br /><br />You have a lot of wisdom which is on display in this column. I am finding it just amazing how much hatred of Jews is masquerading as being sympathetic to the Palestinians. I had thought we were getting beyond anti-Semitism but I was naïve. It's amazing how Hamas is willing to fight to the death of the last child by putting their missiles in schools and by hospitals but that seems to get ignored by even a lot of so-called liberals.David P. Grafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-10964857536113627342014-07-24T20:43:01.826-05:002014-07-24T20:43:01.826-05:00discriminatory is the correct spelling-couldn'...discriminatory is the correct spelling-couldn't figure out how to edit after posting.Geraldine Conradhttp://geraldineconrad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-34056046531264552732014-07-24T20:41:38.878-05:002014-07-24T20:41:38.878-05:00Tutsi generally are quite tall and thin, Hutus of ...Tutsi generally are quite tall and thin, Hutus of shorter stature. That contributed to the genocide because Hutu killers could identify their targets. They needed personal knowledge and lists to kill the moderate and non-discrimatory Hutus. Geraldine Conradhttp://geraldineconrad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-73132960040404490532014-07-24T20:17:45.840-05:002014-07-24T20:17:45.840-05:00The other day you ran a 2008 column that was, sadl...The other day you ran a 2008 column that was, sadly, "current." This is what someone else said, some 40 years ago -- "We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."<br />Golda Meir<br /><br />Gary Ashmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-70112686703493117212014-07-24T10:56:16.534-05:002014-07-24T10:56:16.534-05:00IMHO, it's going to be a diplomatic solution w...IMHO, it's going to be a diplomatic solution when someone who can ignore the dumb stuff, and who can pay bribes to both sides, finds reps to come to the table who have the political gravitas to go home and sell it.<br /><br />I had hopes of Kerry, who can ignore the dumb stuff and who can be pragmatic about both sides needing to bring something home, but the reps didn't have the weight.<br /><br />I don't know if this is much different from the essence of what you are saying - until the locals want it, peace goes nowhere<br /><br />EllenLizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183606631980015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-10066862203149997522014-07-24T07:55:45.066-05:002014-07-24T07:55:45.066-05:00Head of nail meets Steinberg the Hammer again.Head of nail meets Steinberg the Hammer again.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583531344229052149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-18264258801706497122014-07-24T07:38:24.407-05:002014-07-24T07:38:24.407-05:00The really sad thing is that they're all 100% ...The really sad thing is that they're all 100% sincere.<br /><br />Johntatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06215684866966011198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972382144120426476.post-57338559146533506042014-07-24T05:55:14.610-05:002014-07-24T05:55:14.610-05:00Victory to Palestine. War without terms. No Cease ...Victory to Palestine. War without terms. No Cease fire, no negotiations., Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com