Thursday, November 6, 2025

Mailbag


     Lots of email about yesterday's column on Gov. JB Pritzker unleashing an f-bomb on the president. I tried to answer each one intelligently, and think you might enjoy glimpsing that process rather than anything else I might write. 

     I was ecstatic when I saw our gov say that to Trump. Bless him!
     No better way to get your point across.
     Ginny M.

     We are still a free people allowed to speak freely. What good is that right if we don't use it? Thanks for writing.
     NS

     I read your article this morning and find that Governor Pritzker and his language to be offensive. The Governor is obviously frustrated with all the drama the state of Illinois is under. We all want to return to normalcy . The Governor in expressing his disdain with trashy language lessens him as a person. Remember he’s the guy that avoided taxes and removed toilets from his house. We can do better without him shooting off bad language.
     Patty L.

     Luckily, I'm not responsible for what you choose to be offended by. Though given what's going on in this country, led by a chronic liar, bully, fraud and traitor, friend to dictators and pedophiles, I can understand a person deciding to take refuge in quaint attitudes, complaining about naughty words. But please don't mistake it for virtue. It's a form of escapism and — no offense intended — cowardice. Thanks for writing.
     NS


     Most readers stop writing at this point, but Patty took another swing.

     At least someone finally standing up to all the democrats who have pulled the covers over peoples eyes.

     I wouldn't dream of arguing with you. Thanks for writing.

     Italians have a saying regarding foul language: “ Quando ci vuole, ci Vuole” translation: ( When it is needed, it is needed.)  💞 your columns.
     Bob A.

     Ooo, I like that. I'm going to tuck it away for future use. My favorite Italian saying, used to explain whatever is going on in the current clutter, shortcoming and disorder of life, is Tengo familia — "I have a family." Thanks.
     NS

     Hi Neil, I’m curious if there is one ST writer who can say one positive thing about the President. There are many to be said and written! You and the ST are so savagely slanted against him it would be nice to hear other views especially from a service that I have so respected until recently. You stand behind our Governor to tell him to F off? Really? Is this what you teach aspiring writers and reporters? Come on we can all do better in some areas. You can’t tell me Kamala would be a better president? It’s laughable! Things are looking way up especially getting criminals out of our cities. Unless you guys like this? Please offer other views for us for us long time loyal readers. 
      Best, Kevin L.

     Sorry, can't help you there. Of course Trump has positive aspects, and I've written about them — he pushed for a vaccine against COVID (that he later minimized). He got rid of the penny. And Hitler built the Autobahn. So what? Your email is the classic red herring argument — "Boo hoo, you're mean to my president, who is so great." Let me state the situation plainly, since you seem to be confused: Donald Trump is a liar, bully, fraud and traitor trying to dismantle the American democratic system so he can stay in power forever. That you are blind to the fact and want to be catered to so you feel better, well, that's your misfortune, and ours. Kamala Harris would have hands down been a better president. Again, your being blind to it doesn't change the matter — colors don't wink out of existence when a person chooses to wear blinders. I'm glad you are, supposedly, a long-time, loyal reader. But given that, you aren't reading too closely, are you? I mean, it doesn't seem to have helped you much. I'd say try reading for comprehension, rather than begging the news to be skewed to suit your pitiful misunderstanding of life in America today.
      NS

     I’ve always been curious with lexicology and, specifically, swear words. What actually makes a swear word a “swear” word? Why is “fuck” a swear word and “wish” isn’t?
     Yvette C.

     Now, that is an excellent question. My off-the-top-of-my-head guess is it has to do with oaths — "By God's wounds!" or whatever — which were the initially "forbidden" words and terms. You were swearing, as in an oath. But let me look into that on tomorrow's blog. Thanks for asking.

     Bingo. In my OED, the first 11 definitions of "swear" — nearly two pages — have to do with oaths. Finally, we get "12. Swear at — a.To imprecate evil upon by an oath; to address with profane imprecation; gen. to utter maledictions against; to curse."
      Which is why, now that I think of it, they're also called "curse words."

     My wife said that Neil Steinberg is the best columnist in Chicago. 
     And I said, “No shit!”
     Dodd B.

     Tell your wife "thank you," and she is too kind. Part of me wants to demur with "Well, yeah, because I'm the only columnist in Chicago at this point." That gives the short shrift to esteemed colleagues, such as Eric Zorn and his invaluable Picayune Sentinel, or Lee Bey, who does an incredible amount of excellent work. I'm still shaking my head in awe and smiling over the fantastic piece he did on painting the Edgewater Beach Apartments. (I mean really, who even does that? Writes about a building being painted?) And such a wealth of detail, from the hue of the paint (sunset pink) to the amount (500 gallons) to my favorite, the seaplane that the adjacent hotel once had.
     But I digress, as is my wont. Thanks again.
     NS

     I found your discussion to be fascinating. In Eric Zorn's blog, we Joe Schmo readers have been having quite a discussion. I would say debate. But most of us primarily elderly white and mostly on the liberal side readers seem to be on the same page. When I was a young lad on the south side, I lived in fear of certain words. They were likely to bring down the wrath of hell(Oops- can I use that word) from my very socially conservative parents. Did you know that having your face slapped hurts and soap doesn't taste very good. But as a senior citizen, I have arrived at the view that even though words can be a powerful force, I am a lot more concerned about actions than potty mouth. Trump is a fine example. He is boyishly proud of himself for the killing of those on boats in the Caribbean Sea and the Pacific Ocean. There has been no trial or proof evident of their guilt. There are many other examples of those he has harmed. Cleaning up the language has not helped any of them. I'll bet their families and friends would be more than happy to listen to a few nasty words to have them back or otherwise doing better.. So while I admit words can have a powerful effect(quote Lincoln and MLK) I am personally more concerned about actions than F's, H's, S's and D's.    
     Laurence S.

     Good, good — "fascinating" is what I'm going for. I too admired Eric Zorn's treatment of the topic. And yes, despite having liberal Jewish parents, like you, I know both what it's like to have your face slapped, hard, and to have your mouth washed out with soap.
     I too am a senior citizen, barely. I can ride public transportation for half price. And while I fancy myself something of a wordsmith, I like to use the full range of words, and find censorship is never ending. Allow certain words to be off-limits, and the ring grows. We start with the "n-word" and get to the "f-word" and very quickly the reader has no idea what you're talking about.
     I can't understand the horror that supposed adults have over these words. I recently wrote a profile on Cynthia Yeh, the percussionist at the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. She used the phrase "beating the shit out of" a drum. Said it twice. I thought the usage was charming, and contrary to the pretense of high culture that gets draped over classical music. I liked it so much I asked my boss if we could print the actual word?
     We dashed it. And the CSO was so aghast that I quoted the musician saying that word, which she actually said, twice, they said, in essence, "Beat it. We don't want to work with you on stories anymore." I've never written anything about the CSO since. I found it very sad. Then again, there's a lot of very sad going around. Thanks for writing.

    There's more, but that should do for today. See you tomorrow.


26 comments:

  1. Since you mention Kamala Harris, I'd like to get in a plug for her new book "107 Days". An excellent piece of writing. More memoir than diary, and more history than memoir. As I read, I was struck by the feeling that I was reading history that happened just yesterday. This book will still be read 100 years from now by students curious about what the fuck happened in 2024.

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    1. “What the fuck happened” in 2024 is that one of the least electable candidates from the Democratic field got back doored into the party’s nomination after the rest of the party (excepting Dean Phillips) refused to primary Biden, which is what lead to our authoritarian takeover. I haven’t read Harris’s book, so I don’t know if she makes this point, but I’ve heard that she’s quite good at blaming everyone but herself.

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    2. What you've heard is nonsense. The book is an honest accounting. But don't take my word for it. Read the damn book and form your own opinion.

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  2. I always pick a favorite word/sentence/ paragraph in your musings.
    “I'd say try reading for comprehension…“ is today’s choice.
    Reading comprehension is at the bottom of the list of skills possessed by MAGAts

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    1. And, reading in general. Is the penultimate skill on the MAGA skill list,

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  3. Great input from Kevin L. Hoorah!! Keep on writing Neil -- almost all of us love your words!!

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  4. That was fun. It's hard to live in a world with mirror opposite (blue dress/gold dress) perceptions. Did two brain types develop to keep us at odds?

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  5. Better find another favorite Italian saying, Neil. "Tengo familia" is Spanish...!

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    1. And Italian. The spelling might be slightly off, but the phrase is the same in both languages.

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  6. The Italian saying reminded me of how far kids in my Latin classes would go to swear... Taurus stercus. I have no doubt the translation means only what it is in Latin, it's only our puritanically inclined pear grabbers that would take offense.

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  7. Scientific studies have shown that cursing is a sign of intelligence, honesty, and creativity, it increases pain tolerance, and is a universal language. Cursing is universal and transcends time. "Taurus stercus"? The French use "merde" as a seasoning, just as the British use "bloody". No pearls clutched in my house - I've said worse just watching the nightly news.

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    1. Scientific studies will also confirm the exact same things about heroin addiction. Does that make it a good thing?

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  8. I find it interesting that this discussion and most others about the use of "curse/swear words" are not even close to literal use. Doctors aren't likely to ask us how often we fuck our spouses or others not our spouses, whether we have a daily crap, or what we do with our shit to keep it in order. Even EGD isn't about days that God has literally cursed. At least I don't think so. I got in trouble once long ago for underage drinking and made it worse by defending my bad language recorded by the arresting police as something everybody did.

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  9. I remember using the word " crap" as a teenager in front of my dad, who said, calmly,
    " Ladies don't use that kind of language."
    I thought about that for awhile, considered him old fashioned ( and why is it ok for him to say, but not me...early feminist) and traveled down the road of my life using curse words where they are relevant to my state of mind at the time....like Pritzger.

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  10. Mr. Steinberg, you may enjoy a book I've just finished reading by Jess Zafarris titled "Words From Hell - Unearthing the Darkest Secrets of English Etymology." There is a section on the word fuck, and of course many more.

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  11. Keep it up Neil. We subscribe to the ST because of you! If you left so would we. Howie Mogil, Wrigleyville

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  12. Typo alert: "demure" in your reply above should be "demur" instead. Demure you ain't, and I think we love you for that.

    One thing I've noticed about popular swear words is that a lot of them can be pronounced with force: a short, sharp, explosive sound of pronunciation that gives the user a little bit of physical satisfaction to go with the verbal shock wave.

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  13. I’m told my great-grandmother developed an aversion to the word “hello.” She said that everyone knows that Hell is low and decided her children ought to greet people with “hey-o” instead.
    My mother’s aversion to what she considered taboo language seemed to increase with age. By the time she was a senior citizen, if I asked how she enjoyed a movie there were only two responses I was likely to get out of her, either how awful the language was or how nice and clean. I found this narrow fixation baffling and sad.

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  14. The Italian is “Ho famiglia”. Practically the same. And a medium-well-trained Labrador retriever would make a better President than who we’ve got.

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  15. Sorry, in Italian it's Ho famiglia. I speak Italian to the Hispanic guys at our barn and they think I'm insane.

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  16. Excellent column today. I enjoyed the deeper interaction. Something to consider doing more in the future in my opinion. That said I expect it takes a bit more time to do so. But worth it.

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  17. In times past, i am told, in French Canada, the expression "tabernacle" was considered a swear word, presumably because the speaker was using the body of God in cursing someone.

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  18. In addition to her ubiquitous use of "Jesus Christ!" (see yesterday's comments), my mother favorite swears were "Goddamn it!" and "Son of a bitch!" But she said "bee" instead. Like Mumsy, like son. At 78, I still use those same "curse words" a helluva lot. But I say bitch. Online, it often has to morph into "bwitch." Facebook Jail is no joke.

    In the late 70s, when I was turning 30 and my kid sister was still in her twenties, she began to use obscenities in front of our folks. Apparently, it was what a liberated feminist did. To strut her stuff, I suppose. And my aging parents, who were pushing sixty at the time, responded in kind.

    They had already visited Sis in London and had gone to the sex shops and brought home porn and were trying to be hipper. And spicier in the bedroom, I'm guessing. More swearing was part of the package. But it was a bit disconcerting to hear my Jewish mother say: "I'm glad your fucking plane was late, because we got stuck in the fucking traffic." Or to her Daddy say: "That asshole next door is bothering Grandma again."

    Don't know why the hell their salty language bothered me, but it did. I'll leave that to the shrinks. But it was just a phase, like teens go through. After a couple more years, it went away as suddenly as it appeared. Maybe it was just the times. Shit, even Archie Bunker was cursing more then, and enjoying life less.

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  19. My husband was a Vietnam veteran & a son a Marine. Their every day language was peppered with The F Bomb when you talked to them. When they were having a conversation with each other, it seemed that they used it as every other word. I found it interesting that they never used it once around the kids/grandkids.

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  20. Growing up, only men and when only in earshot of other men would swear. Or the "hard scrabbled", "uneducated". Or "show offs" who were said to be trying to prove their masculinity.
    As we grew toward adulthood we were reminded how disrespectful it was to an individual or group, a means to not only denegrate, but negate them. Like boys calling each other fags as proof they weren't! Calling girls tramps, whores...the list is so much longer... and never outgrown by men. And now by too many women in an effort to "reclaim and repurpose" words? Similar to racial epithets.
    Learned there's less chance of immediate danger from a person general swearing versus personally directed. Though that may no longer be true.
    "You can do better."
    "Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?"

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  21. Agree to disagree, I guess. I hate scatological humor, and find it to be gross, lame brained, and stupefyingly unfunny, yet there are people above the age of ten that I know who regard it as uproarious. Go figure. It seems that there is a similar schism here of which I am firmly entrenched on one side, and cannot wrap my head around the alternative view.
    As for the CSO’s reaction to that quote, what did you expect? They’re not representing hip hop artists or death metal bands. Saying she’s “beating the shit out” of her drum is charming? Well, to each their own. I don’t think it would have been charming if that had come from John Bonham or Neil Peart, let alone the percussionist for the CSO.

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