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| Cain killing Abel, by Johann Sadeler (Metropolitan Museum of Art) |
I initially declined an invitation to talk with the new Israeli consul general to the Midwest, Elad Strohmayer. Consuls general are not traditionally fonts of valuable information. But Tuesday is the second anniversary of the Oct. 7 attacks that cost 1,200 Israeli lives and the beginning of the war in Gaza that has killed 67,000 Palestinians and spurred a worldwide shift against Israel.
With nations lining up to recognize a Palestinian state, and social media echoing with full-throated condemnation of Israel's continuation of the war, I felt obligated to hear what the nation's officials have to say. This interview was done before President Trump's 20-point peace plan was unveiled, but with talks going on in Egypt now, the Israeli position is even more relevant. Our interview was edited for space and clarity.
Q. What's happening in Gaza? What are you doing?
A. Our goals are very, very simple. We want the hostages back, and we want Hamas to lay down its arms so it would never be able to threaten Israel. ... We cannot end the war knowing that Hamas is still in power or Hamas has the ability to threaten Israel. That's why we're operating in Gaza now.
Q. Why doesn't Hamas surrender? Wouldn't that end the bloodshed?
A. That's a question you need to ask Hamas. The reality is that they have a murderous ideology, and that ideology was known from the start, and they are very, very persistent in sticking to this ideology. They actually care nothing for the life of people in general — Palestinian life, Israeli life, Jewish life. Their murderous ideology is not going anywhere. That's why they're not surrendering. I might not be able to fight their ideology, because ideas are very strong. I just want to make sure that their ideology doesn't have the military power to threaten Israel.
Q. You've got Donald Trump talking about exiling Palestinians from Gaza and building a new Riviera. What's going to happen to the Palestinians?
A. I speak for the Israeli government. I don't speak for President Trump and his administration, but I think his plan is being mischaracterized. He doesn't want to exile all the Palestinians. The reality is we want to have as minimum casualties in Gaza fighting against Hamas. Look at what's happening in Ukraine. Ukrainian people could leave and go to neighboring countries. Why doesn't Egypt allow Palestinians to go into Egypt so we can do what needs to be done to clear Gaza of Hamas? Then anyone who wants to go back can go back. Prime Minister Netanyahu said it: We want to give them the opportunity to leave so they'll be out of harm's way, then anyone who wants to be back can come back. I'm saying this on the record.
Q. Let's talk about the famine.
Yes, there are hungry people in Gaza. It breaks my heart to know there are hungry people in Gaza. But there is no systematic famine in Gaza. That's the campaign against Israel. We made sure from the start that enough humanitarian assistance, enough food, enters into Gaza that there won't be famine in Gaza. But Hamas looted the food, the food was not distributed to the right people, and that's what created hungry people in Gaza. ... I don't want to see hungry people in Gaza. It's not moral, and it's also wrong for Israel. Everybody's talking about the famine in Gaza. But again, nobody talks about the famine of our hostages. ... The famine campaign is false.
Q. Is the two-state solution still viable?
A. A Palestinian state is not relevant at the moment. It's a futile conversation to talk about a Palestinian state, because we need to make sure that if there is going to be, eventually — some political entity — that won't be able to threaten Israel. We're not there yet. They don't recognize Israel as the homeland of all Jews. If we now create a Palestinian state, we have the fear extremists will take over that future so-called Palestinian state and then they will be able to do to central Israel from the West Bank what they did on Oct. 7.
Q. Talk about the PR war. You've got a terror group. You've got America's closest ally, a democracy. Why is public perception so strong against Israel? What you call an "operation" is denounced as genocide.
A. I reject that term. The only one that wants to create a genocide is Hamas. They said that from the beginning. They want to kill all the Jews and throw us to the sea, that there should be no Jewish state. They're the one that tried to commit a genocide Oct. 7. ... The claims that we are committing genocide are preposterous, and they are false. These are lies being spread against Israel. On Oct. 7, Israel was attacked. But also on Oct. 7, an orchestrated campaign against Israel was started worldwide. If we wanted to commit a genocide we would not let humanitarian aid be distributed. We would not let people be notified before the [Israeli military] is going to be striking.
Palestinians are suffering in Gaza. I am not oblivious to their suffering. On the contrary. My heart aches when I see pictures of children suffering. But the reality is, this is the outcome of war. We don't have a good PR. Justice is on our side, but the pictures coming out of Gaza are difficult. I understand. But who's responsible for these pictures? Hamas.
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