Wednesday, September 18, 2024

They're eating the plantains!

Figurines at the 2014 Haitian vaudou show at the Field Museum. 

     Haitians eat plantains.
     I must rush to add that Haitians eat other things too. I remember langouste, from my visits to Haiti, a kind of spicy French lobster dish. In "Breath, Eyes, Memory," Edwidge Danticat's lovely, meticulous novel, they eat cinnamon rice pudding, on special occasions.
     In all the continuing fallout from Donald Trump's shocking slur about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, uttered during his debate with Kamala Harris — "They're eating the cats. They're eating the dogs. They're eating the pets" — I have not seen mentioned what Haitians actually do eat. Understandable — with the state police being called out to protect children going to school in Springfield, dozens of bomb threats and the Proud Boys boldly marching, cuisine would naturally get pushed aside.
     Pity. Food has a way of bridging divides. I remember the coffee — I'd never had such excellent coffee — and of course the rum, Jane Barbancourt. Best in the world.
     It goes without saying — well, no, actually, I have to say it — that Haitians also eat sushi and meatloaf and apples and every other food that anybody else eats. Culture is a guide, not a rule.
     As to why the spurious pet-eating claim should shock, coming from Trump and his wingman, JD Vance, that's on me, on all of us. We should expect it by now. But something must make people — regular, non-bigoted people — assume the best about others. Like Anne Frank, we believe people are basically good at heart; a dangerous notion, given how that worked out for Anne.
     Never forget that racism is a form of ignorance. Stupidity rampant. People imagine bigots come to their beliefs the way most of us do, through experience and consideration. They don't. What happens is they try to mold their real life experience to fit their narrow, poisonous personal beliefs. As Vance said, they make stuff up to prove a point.
     Prejudice also is a form of cowardice. Nobody is a bigot because they are brave. Thus, hating people directly is rare: "I hate the Dutch and their stupid wooden shoes." Instead, harms must be postulated to justify the hatred: "The Dutch are running over children with their careless bike riding."
     This is where the lying comes in. False rumors, that bulwark of medieval villages, transfer directly to 21st century technology. "The Jews poisoned the wells" finds a direct corollary in, "They're eating the pets." People we hate are doing something awful! So it's safe to hate them.

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31 comments:

  1. WAIT, THERE'S LEPROSY IN OAK PARK? Those Oak Parkers are a disease-ridden, filthy bunch of upper middle classers, to be sure! Why haven't Dear Leader and Boy Wonder swooped into town to warn the AmeriKKKan people about this threat to their Homeland?

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  2. It's only one small step to "they are drinking the blood of Christian children." I fear for my country.

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  3. Stoking fear and racism is one of Trump's long lasting talents. And he's going deeper into it; there's less equivocation and excuses. His apologists rationalize and complement him on bringing attention to "the immigrant problem".

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  4. In defense of FME, I took his "nice place to vacation and very cheap" as a stab at irony.

    john

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    1. Noted, but this is a cold medium, and irony is sometimes lost. FME did not take my remark well, in a very unambiguous way. Alas, I don't think we'll be hearing from him anymore. He made it clear that he is taking his ball and going home. He will be missed by all, I'm sure.

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    2. That last sentence, by the way, was ironic.

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    3. I dunno if I'll miss FME or not. One less person to be snarky and be snarked at This little circus has fewer rings every year, even as the ringmaster gets better and better at his trade.

      But the number of commenters (and comments) seems to be diminishing, and maybe we can't afford to lose them. The more voices that sing, the better the choir.

      Or maybe EGD hasn't shrunk at all, what with all the Anonymouses (Anonymi?) posting here, however many of them there actually are. I find it very difficult to sort them all out. Maybe numbering them would help.

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    4. Yes, it is unfortunate, as FME could make sense, at times. But if a dog bites you, you can't rationalize it by telling yourself that most of the time he isn't biting you. The raw numbers of readers seem unrelated to commentators — I've considered just shutting the comments off and being done with them, but are trying to maintain them, as a courtesy to people such as yourself. Though the FMEs of the world don't make that easy. Remember Jerry B? We get by without him.

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    5. Jerry B was pretty much before my time. It's only been 6-7 years.
      Smoked for 32 years (and I'm getting paid back for it now).
      Quit--cold turkey--in '93. Guess I could do the same here.
      Hell, geezerhood is all losses anyway. People, places. pastimes, pets.
      Do whatchoo gotta do, Mr. S.--I can take it. Ain't got much choice.

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    6. I appreciate it Grizz, though the bottom line is, the comments aren't much skin off my considerable nose. In fact, I think they're a benefit. One reason I can be so completely nonchalant about them is my mentally ill commentator who can submit 30, 40 comments a day. It's inured me to all criticism. Plus they all get shitcanned without reading a word. If that's how he chooses to keep busy, go crazy — well, it's a little late for that. It takes me seconds to squeegee away the result.

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    7. You have my sympathies, Mr. S.
      Scraping litterboxes can be a royal pain in the ass.

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    8. I've noticed that sometimes you rip into a commenter. I wonder if you realize you do it.

      But when a commenter rips into you you say: this is my hobby blog and don't need to put up with jerks.

      Often times like today there's no indication of what was said it doesn't see the light of day commenters. Just know that someone pissed you off and they've been kicked to the curb.

      I suppose they can just post as anonymous and so long as they stay between the lines you'll put up with them but not using whatever moniker or Nam deplume that they choose.

      Like who is griz I mean who? Who is he? Is he an actual person? Sometimes I see people who use their full name and have some notoriety so you assume it's them, but is it their certified account? It's all just a bunch of anonymous people that are commenting here.

      I'm not sure why you care what they say. I guess it could get out of hand but like what's out of hand in this day and age. There is no civility and honestly often it's not found here either. But for the most part people are interesting and I don't always agree with them. I keep reading. I love your stuff and some of your commenters are very interesting. Anyway, goodbye fme, I can't say any of your posts really struck me in a way that I remember them.

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    9. To the extent that one can miss somebody whom one doesn't know and who doesn't seem to comment all that often, I suppose I might miss FME. I find him to be, on balance, a solid contributor here. Plus, he has personal familiarity with many different topics that our gracious host has written about.

      Obviously, I'm not doing myself any favors by saying that, particularly since I have no idea what transpired today. But, as one of the few who were foolish enough to engage with Jerry B., both here and at Zorn's old blog, I've always found FME to be a much more worthwhile participant than he was. That being said, as I've noted before, he can certainly be too snarky and has a tendency to shoot himself in the foot on the regular.

      BTW, Grizz, since the early days of EGD there have always been a healthy percentage of anonymous commenters. Several times I've tried to encourage folks to use the option in the commenting box that says "Name / URL," enter whatever they want as a name and skip the URL part. Some seem to bother to do it, most don't.

      Anyway, almost from the beginning, I've referred to them collectively as Anonymice. Things are pretty calm these days. In 2013 and 2014, it was like the wild west around here! : )

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    10. Probably not (realize that I sometimes blast a reader with both barrels). I know I can be testy, but remember: I live with this thing. When I wake up in the morning, the very first thing I do, every single day, is send a couple bulk emails to send the link to readers. The last thing I do at night, every night, is set up the top page for the next day. Sometimes people can be quite pointed, and I wave it through. And sometimes I'm just not in the mood. I don't hold grudges — FME can show up in a few days and start commenting again and I'll only vaguely remember I was irked about something (he suggested that Haiti was a good place for a vacation, perhaps facetiously, I said he wasn't paying attention, and he went off on me and told me to go fuck myself, in those words. Which crosses a line. I like hearing what readers have to say, even though there probably are only a dozen regulars.

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    11. Wow. "he went off on me and told me to go fuck myself, in those words. Which crosses a line."

      Uh, yeah, that very definitely crosses a line. I'm pretty surprised he would do that, as it's way beyond "snarky."

      I appreciate your filling us in on the exchange, NS. Thanks.

      Not that it matters, but leaving Anonymous out of it, I think there are more than a couple dozen "regulars," depending on how one is scoring. : )

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    12. He told you to go fuck yourself?
      I don't know. It seems there's some kind of humor there what with his chosen handle of fme always seeming to mean to me that he was saying
      Fuck me

      But yes, that's beyond snarky and uncalled for And you wouldn't want to print that. Though I doubt he's the first to ever say that to you.
      It's pretty tame in this day and age

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  5. What do Thomas Crooks' parents do to make a living or afford a home? Where do they work, if anywhere?
    Thomas Crooks graduated with high honors from a 2-year college in engineering. Has anyone talked to anyone who knew Crooks in college? Amazing or a plan?

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  6. When my mother worked at the VA hospital in Maywood, she made a habit of bringing home foreign co-workers for dinner. One of these was a lab tech from Haiti.

    Daisy would let me practice speaking French with her, and she was just a warm, funny, delightful person who became a good family friend. I think of Daisy and I get extra angry at assholes like Vance.

    Two more utterly peripheral comments about this column, because that's just how my mind works, sorry:

    --Some conservative jerkwad was so offended by Anne Frank's message of tolerance and finding the good in people that he slagged on her as "a secular Jew," meaning...what? We don't have to listen to her? Who the hell knows.

    --The National Lampoon once ran a "feature" about A.U.T.B.T.D., or Americans United to Beat the Dutch. It was full of the most ridiculous attempts at ethnic slander ("What are they COOKING in those ovens of theirs?") to showcase and satirize the utter, arbitrary ridiculousness of ethnic prejudice. Unfortunately, the Dutch didn't see the humor, so no more Heineken ads in the magazine from then on.

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    1. They also skewered Germany...around 1973 or so. Schoolbags (the forerunner of bookbags) and metal lunchboxes--in red, white, and black, emblazoned with swastikas. Nazified gym shoes/sneakers. And my favorite...a miniature replica of the Nuremburg Sports Palace, adorned with flags. Which was, of course, to be used as an ashtray.

      The spread was entitled: "Nazi Regalia For Gracious Living"...and it can be found online. Hysterically funny...and also heilarious.

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    2. Say what you will, the NatLamp was ahead of its time and generally funny for a bunch of elitist white east coast intellectuals. And they spawned the ONLY funny conservative I can name, PJ O'Rourke. Here's the cover shot and an index of their "Prejudice" issue. What a hoot! https://www.marksverylarge.com/issue-index/1973-04/

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    3. FWIW, O'Rourke was cordially (or not so cordially) loathed by many of those he shared the NatLamp masthead with.

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    4. To Grizz: One of the sickest yet funniest Nazi-related things they ever ran (and they ran a lot -- Nazi material is a staple of sick humor) was Michael O'Donoghue's "Children's Letters to the Gestapo." ("Thank you for the yellow cowboy star to wear on my jacket.") O'Donoghue, of course, would go on to become a founding writer of "Saturday Night Live."

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    5. I was a passionate P.J. O'Rourke fan: https://www.everygoddamnday.com/2022/02/pj-orourke-scribe-of-franker-time.html

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    6. I think I had that Lampoon Dutch hate comic in the back of my mind when I used them in my column today.

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    7. I can't read the rest of your column on O'Rourke because, even though I subscribe, I keep hitting a glitch with digital sign-in. One day I'll get un-lazy enough to call ST tech support.

      FWIW, I thought he could be very funny too. My beef with him is that he loved to punch down. As he told Time magazine back in the day, his attitude toward readers and the world in general was, "I'm OK, you're not OK. I'm better than you, and I'm going to destroy you." As he got more political, that attitude devolved into a lot of ugly sneering at minorities and the poor.

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  7. Somebody came up with this rumor. It got enough traction to go beyond a circle of 3 people snickering in a dive bar. It got picked up by some media outlet, probably a loose cannon "social media" version.

    Did it make it into legitimate media before or after the Biggest Loser latched onto it? I'm not sure and I'm not bothering to try to find out.

    The first 3 steps are par for the course in this benighted nation. The previously unimaginable component is a former president being such a huckster, so brazen, so desperate to promote disdain for and fear of immigrants as one of the cornerstones of his campaign, that he'd actually repeat it. Loudly, passionately, on national TV with 67 million people watching.

    As if that's not bad enough, even when the authorities in Springfield and the freaking governor of Ohio are compelled to debunk the nonsense, Dolt 45 and his sidekick actually double down on it. And there are still millions who will vote for them. What a country!

    Famous local hot dog stand The Wieners Circle has the right idea. Mock these bastards! They put "IMMIGRANTS EAT OUR DOGS" on their sign. : )

    https://www.instagram.com/p/C_yvVNtPL2v/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=da4d0886-f572-45f4-a7d7-c60a346afb8c

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  8. Yes, it made the "legitimate" media (whatever that is...since most of them seem to be pro-Trump bastards now) before the Lemonade Loser latched onto it. It began appearing online on Monday, September 9, the day before the debate.

    Both my wife and I saw it, and snickered about it. Maybe we saw it that early because we live in Northeast Ohio. By the next day, Tuesday (the 10th), it was being widely debunked, and Jethro V. Dance was looking pretty stupid after repeating it.

    All of which means that I was both dumbfounded and stupefied (word choices intentional), when Mr. Tangerine Man repeated it...blurting it out like a drowning man clutching a life ring. Now you can be sure, and you don't have to bother to try to find out. When he said what he said...the rumor was less than two days old.

    The story smoldered on Monday, burst into flame on Tuesday, and exploded on Wednesday. Followed by a heavy rain...of cats and dogs...on Thursday. Ask the man who knows. An Ohio man. And one who is no longer proud of it. Haven't been for a long, long time. Years.

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    1. Thanks for that thorough timeline, Grizz.

      Having lived in Ohio up through college, with a lot of friends and family members still there, it has been disappointing indeed to see what's happened to the Buckeye state. From voting for Obama twice, making the last ditch effort to stop the Dolt before he became 45 via voting for Kasich in the 2016 primary, to then rolling over that November and giving him an even higher percentage in 2020 -- well, it's sad.

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    2. I think Jethro V. Dunce might make more sense.

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    3. Jakash You should read David Pepper's substack. He writes a lot about how corrupt the government is.

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    4. Thanks, Sanford. I looked into it a bit, and the guy, his Substack and his books seem interesting, indeed. Even the title, "Pepperspectives" is a winner! : )

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