Well this is working splendidly. Readers have a place to go discuss, that sits on the periphery of vision, someplace I check occasionally, just to make sure people are behaving, generally. The only downside is they fill up, but I do have some venues available—this is not technically a motel, which was almost a deal breaker. Nor is it a hotel, though: it's a ride at Disney World. But good enough for our purposes. Make yourselves at home.
Thanks, Mr. S.
ReplyDeleteSenator Kirk apologizes here, apologizes there, he has been apologizing everywhere. Even so it is not good enough for Tammy. Now Congresswoman Duckworth is demanding a personnel apology. She seems so offended by Kirk's bad joke, one might think she was once a ho. But lost in all the media noise, there is a bro with no ho. Could there be a match made in heaven for Senator Graham? Well if not heaven, some level of Dis. Would Lindsey Graham and Rachel Dolezal be a perfect match?
ReplyDeleteNot quite, Bernie. His apology was half assed at best, both of them.
ReplyDeleteYou are surprised by that Anon 8:59PM? Giving half assed apologies, and demanding full assed apologies, are the stock in trade, of politicians these days. At least I try to heed the warning of African American Kirk Lazarus: "never go full retard." Congresswoman Duckworth, it seems, is pushing the envelope by buying domain names like, brosforkirk.com. If she is so sincere, where is her apology to the bros?
DeleteMost politicians are insufferable. For me it's a matter of the lesser of 2 evils and that's the Dems for me. They at least look out for the working and mid class ,sometimes.
DeleteI don't get these poor dumasses who don't have a pot to piss in but vote repub, for some rel. reason or cause they want to live in the 1950's again.
In my book the only ones who should be voting Repub are the wealthy and corporate or business types. Farmers offspring seem to have forgotten who helped them when no one else did : FDR with some of his ND programs.
DeleteIt's funny to see as I did on one dem. fb site of some poor southerners , white ones, on welfare or using Obama care but voting repub. Talk about shooting self in foot. So much of the population is idiotic and self absorbed, especially the millenials and they know or care little about pol., for. affairs, etc
Why a woman, unless she's wealthy , vote Repub is beyond me. Some of those born agains do,even if not well off. I guess they like being 2nd class citizens.
DeleteAlso, couldn't Rahm find a better artist then Yoko for that park? Sorry if that is a repeat.
Anons 7:57PM & 8:02PM,
DeleteI enjoy watching political campaigns, analyzing their techniques and methods of operation. When a campaign focuses on fluff issues, it pops up on my radar. There are much more serious issues our politicians need to address. Please don't interpret my criticism of Duckworth's campaign as support for all republicans, both candidates for any public office should be judged on their merits. In my opinion, states with voters willing to change from one political party to the other, in general, have better government. In Illinois our government has been ruled for decades by what Anon-not-Anon refers to as the combine. This is a large clique of both Republicans and Democrats united in one purpose, lining their own pockets with taxpayer money. Business XXX may provide social services like low-income housing, job training and/or consoling, or mental health support for Medicaid recipients. If business XXX appoints or hires politically connected people to its Board of Directors, and/or makes the proper campaign donations, it will get on the fast track for multiple state grants. A Democrat member of the combine will praise the legacy of FDR, and piously proclaim that's why they support the wonderful services business XXX provides. If contractor YYY hires politically connected people, as Board members, salesmen, or lobbyist, and/or makes the proper campaign donations, specs in the contracts that go out for bid, are matched to the work they specialize in. A Republican member of the combine will praise the legacy of Reagan's support for smaller more efficient government, and piously proclaim their support for business YYY, because they almost always do the work within or under budget. Within Illinois there are thousands of high paying government positions, divided up among members of the combine, their families and supporters. We are now providing over 10,000 retirees with annual pensions exceeding 100k per year. The public service employees who do the actual work day in and day out, year after year, things like, collecting garbage, policing, running into burning buildings, and teaching, all to often are getting the bulk of the blame for our financial difficulties.
that's all TOO often not to often but good points, Bernie
DeleteYes, both Duckworth and Kirk play the sympathy card a bit too often but I don't think that lady who is running as a dem in the primaries against DW, can't think of her name, is qualified or will get far.
today about some kid who hadn't missed school in 13 yrs?
ReplyDeleteread some article in st today how some kid didn't miss school for 13 yrs, nothing to brag of,ridic, that means she sent him to school or he wanted to & went with fever, vom,.diah, hacking and spreading germs to others, nothing to brag of and not good for him either
I liked ONtiveros column today. Rahm and co. gave a break to get the NFL draft here but then has no $ for a local community beach. Like she said, the poor guy who gets corners cut. That's Rahm the Repub in dem. clothes. No wonder he used to hang out with elitist Rauner. I'd like to see Socialism come in just to fix their asses and same goes for the likes of Zell., etc.
ReplyDeleteTrump for Pres. , HA ha, another joke.
Oh my...this Hollywood Tower Hotel brings back memories of my husband and me taking our son on the Tower of Terror ride at Disney World. (Actually, I was too chicken, so my husband took our son.) Suffice it to say they were both slightly traumatized and slightly amused by the ride, which was supposed to feel like an elevator drop of 20 floors, give or take, but actually only dropped maybe one floor. I can still hear the loudspeaker of recorded screams of terror beckoning people to the ride.
ReplyDelete(This motel room concept is indeed working splendidly -- great idea NS. I'm going to try limiting my comments from now on, because even though it's a lot of fun, I don't like getting so caught up in the back-and-forth criticizing. I guess, as the famous "Godfather" movie saying goes,"I keep getting pulled back in.")
Nice story, Sandy. I like to read family stuff.
DeleteI detest the stereotypes that those type of Hollyweird movies reinforce about mobsters.
DeleteSandy, don't let some meanie keep you away.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, A/N/A, agree with your comment on the other board on some Repubs wanting cheap, illegal labor. I thought I'd put it here incase you didn't check the old room site.
But it was I who asked about another site to write off topic, and Mr. S obliged.
ReplyDeleteMea culpa. Great idea, Anonymous :)
DeleteMr. S., your thoughts are always welcome on this side of the blog as well. It's still your blog.
ReplyDeleteI do glance at it, through latticed fingers. But only when I'm not being productive. I'm running on vapors today, so expect more reaction.
DeleteAre they overworking you at the ST? Or do you have too many side projects? Cut back where you can, Mr. S. You don't want to become ill.
DeleteI get the impression there are not a lot of sports fans on here, or some elitists who think that's beneath them or that educated people can't get into sports.
ReplyDeleteI can do that and still enjoy reading Orwell or Fitzgerald.
Speaking for myself, anon @7:21, huge sports fan here. Dog named Wrigley, kids lucky they weren't named Sheffield and Addison, and my voice still isn't recovered from the Hawks victory. Intellect doesn't dictate what one should enjoy. This just isn't a sports blog.
ReplyDeleteI know it's not a sports blog but you'd think it might come up more on the off topic one.
DeleteI think it was Noam Chomsky who said rational debate existed in the American media, where people made reasoned arguments with historical examples and sophisticated statistical analysis - except the subject was sports, not politics.
Deleteindeed
DeleteYou are the wrong sports fan, dear Nikki. Maddon who is Italian, will save the Cubs, otherwise I don't care for most Cub fans. I'll make an exception for you. The Sox are sucking it this year and should fire Ventura, so I can't brag too much on them. Cutler stinks, so nothing going on there. Good thing for the Hawks. The Bulls are blah and Rose doesn't have his heart in it. We'll see about these new propsects. That pitcher the Cubs got that used to be with Boston., can't think of name now, is past it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the exception:)
DeleteI don't think a new coach can save the Bears. We need to get rid of Cutler.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't think that too many guys on here are sports fans. Not saying they have to be extreme ones that can't do anything in football season but watch games.
I found this old article on google, concerning our author. I think the heavy lady who wrote this is too hard on him. Though I agree that if you want to dish it, you have to take it. I've often thought the same when seeing the superhefty in stores buying chips. Not that I'm model skinny but not super big. My first thought is, get your thyroid tested.
ReplyDeletehttp://chicagoist.com/2014/05/30/neil_steinberg_and_the_battle_with.php
Actually, Mr. S. there is an XO for girls. No, it's not hermaphrodites but having Turners syndrome. Still can be girly girls and smart but sterile and smaller in size, though not dwarfism.
ReplyDeleteThis can be found by a keriotype test. Some is called Mosaic and is half of an O. This is in light of yest. column about xy or xx.
ReplyDeleteGood article by Brown today on the bully Rauner.
ReplyDeleteGlad that Rahm finally disagreed with R. his old buddy, and sided with Madigan.
Kabuki.
DeleteYou enjoy Japanese Kabuki theater then, A-N-A?
DeleteOff topic but has anyone ever read that How Green was My Valley? Those Welsh often added a preposition at the end. Not that that was the point of the story.
Good, now ANA has proven he's not a full, nasty -wasty Republican.
DeleteMr . Steinberg, It would be interesting to see your thoughts in a blog about this latest Rauner bit with the negative ads.
ReplyDeleteThis may just end up blowing up in Rauner's face.
Anon, you keep going on about Rauner and the rich without offering a reasoned explanation as to where he's wrong. If you are a CEO and you have a duty to the shareholders to maximize profits, explain why you would locate to Illinois over a state with a) lower taxes, b) fewer union protections, c) more favorable workers comp laws, d) a better educated pool of workers? Especially when any higher taxes are going to primarily go to paying pension benefits, not improving infrastructure? Businesses aren't immoral, they're amoral, so don't bring emotion into it - provide a reason why they should stay here if another state is more attractive?
DeleteI can give you one reason, but it's the very thing you've (if you're the same anon) has attacked.
(Yes, I realized I switched from a business moving here to a business staying here, but the same analysis applies).
DeleteNo one said to bleed businesses. Yes, they provide jobs and unfort. we have to compete with INdiana, but there has to be some moderation, not just cutbacks at the cost of the working class. It's not all about pensions. You need to read Brown and ONtiverous more often or check out Occupy Democrats , etc if you aren't convinced. Obviously you are are in a job that makes you think Republican. Nor do I think I'm the only Dem on here saying similar things. But it's not just about business but taxing the millionaires personal earnings more, and not just for pensions. Yes, some compromise has to be made on them. Don't be so controlling on what is posted. You just want to silence the fiscally liberal.
DeleteYou know darn well that right to work crap is not good for the worker. Perhaps you can move to Wisc. and enjoy Walker.
This isn't some emotional argument as you suggest, in such a condescending manner. Is laissez-faire with business what you want? That's not a good thing as the past showed us.
DeleteWhy so defensive? Are you hiding your taxes on some island? Or perhaps the company you work for is finding loopholes.
ANA , problems will develop for the underclass, when it's all about profits and greed.
DeleteActually it's entirely an emotional argument, complete with turns to the personal (it fails there too, not only is arithmetic the same regardless of who is doing it, but because I reluctantly voted for Quinn). If you can't give a single reason why a business would come to Illinois or stay here if it can make more money elsewhere after the tax hikes and cuts in infrastructure spending, you've ceded the argument to Rauner no matter how much you say/wish "there has to be some moderation." You can't even see the irony of your invitation to join Walker in Wisconsin.
DeleteSpeaking of Wisconsin:
Unemployment in Wisconsin: 4.4%
Unemployment in Illinois: 6.0%
As I've written repeatedly, the working class (and middle class) faces immense threats that need to be primarily addressed at a federal level. States are limited because of the ability of employers to leave.
Well I'm all for National Supremacy as the Const. states. But so.states and businesses don't always like that.
DeleteMaybe a Social Revolution can take care of the states doing whatever problem, but that won't happen. Sorry if I don't split hairs like you do. You have all the answers anyhow, why argue with me? Why don't you run as a Repub candidate for something. So check your own irony. Or write to members of the Gen. Assembly and solve the problems. Don't forget to write to the mayor.
Many companies may threaten to leave but usually it's too cumbersome to do so.
So we let the NFL have a pass here with some type of break from the city when they came for the draft business but then they don't have $ here for a local beach in Chicago? Selling our soul indeed. As long as the big hotels make $...
Sure there is emotion or personal exper. involved. That's what makes us form our voting decision. Politics isn't just accounting class, like you seem to think. As if you are completely unbiased. Now go check your investment portfolio.
You need to read the ST more carefully.
JackAss, stop brown nosing Ana and don't read my posts if you don't like it. Do you really think I'm the only anon here??? I post items wanting to get people's opinions on things, not to make it my personal blog. And sometimes I've even wanted your opinion, so ouch to me.
DeleteI don't know what your response is doing up here, but, whatevs...
DeleteI haven't commented before about all the random observations occupying the motels, nor the ones asking for people's opinions. And I don't believe it's fair to expect anybody to know which posts are yours and which aren't, given that you refuse to attach a pen-name to your remarks. But, I feel pretty confident that a LOT of posts on this thread are yours, for whatever it's worth.
I brought them up because I wanted to point out the absurdity of your suggesting that A-n-A wants to, or could possibly have any effect in "silencing" you, not because I want to alienate you, nor because it's any concern of mine how many comments you make.
Should I be upset that you've called me a name (again) and attempted to silence ME with the "stop brown-nosing" demand (again)? Uh, I'm not. : )
I hope you haven't turned into a Republican on fiscal matters, NS.
ReplyDeleteThank goodness that the Fed. Govt / FCC is going after this crooked corporation for lying as we suspected upon checking, for connection speed. Now they are claiming our regular usage of internet, which never changed, suddenly requiring more $ to be charged on bill for going after a certain amount. REALLY!!! What does unlimited internet mean AT&T crooks? Or it's a push to force people onto their uverse.
good thing for social media
not that Comcast is angelic
ANA-perhaps read some of Liz Warren's findings, she can put it better, on what the banks are trying to pull off. Using shareholders as an excuse for anything goes, isn't a good idea.
DeleteSigh. One more time: the federal government can do things that the states and cities can't. And even with the federal moves there are some risks, though the federal government is positioned to take responsive action as well.
DeleteDuh, yes I know of the differences between Federal and State powers.
DeleteI heard an interview with Bernie Sanders today on talk radio. Interesting how many corp. tycoons
ReplyDeletegot away with making the common person lose their job, savings, etc and no thanks to corp. lawyers never get into trouble, with the Wall St. mess and AIG. I know it was lucky my elderly mother didn't lose her investment but had to wait to withdraw it. Then one of the investment firms changed names so they wouldn't be avoided.
It's a safe bet ANA won't be voting for Sanders in the dem primaries or anytime. Sigh.
And this Pac. trade deal the Pres. caved on, is only going to help the bigwigs.
Well Rauner would limit what state govt's could do even more to keep some sneaky business dealings in check. Madigan isn't a saint, but needs to keep him in check. Good for Cullerton too.
Sorry if it upsets you if I gripe about your fave politician, Rauner, Ana. I'll try to say less about it.
I know in CHina recently, some crooked profiteering bus. man was sentence to jail and death. No one is saying it has to come to that. There the gov't is the big worry.
Don't tell me. Ana, you probably think Hoover was a great Pres. and FDR a bad one.
ReplyDeleteOh, I like FDR just fine. History lesson 1: FDR despised even the thought of public worker unions. Walker invoked him repeatedly.
Delete"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service...It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations."
Even I don't go as far as he did - I think his fears have come to fruition in Illinois, but I think there's a way to separate the negotiating representatives of "the people" from the political influence of public worker unions so that it's fair to both. That's a far cry from what we have here.
History Lesson #2: Hoover was a great Secretary of Commerce - probably did more for the nation in that job than Silent Cal did as President.
That will be the day when I need History lessons from you.
DeleteHoover was better in Belgium relief in WWI than to the vets here or workers. He was unwilling to try something new on an emergency, fearing that dirty S word.
Do agree that public unions have gone too far, esp. in the city.
When you have graduate courses in History and have taught it even at the college level, then you may address some of us on that, AnA.
DeleteIn the old days, you could have voted for Wilkie, a lawyer for utilities, that didn't see profit in bringing elec. to some rural areas. Good thing those like FDR didn't put the shareholders first.
ReplyDeleteA shame about that massacre in South Carolina. Sure , there's a lot of nuts but lax gun laws and a Repub. party that caters to the NRA and gun manufacturers, doesn't help.
ReplyDeleteWait don't tell me, ANA, you support the NRA.
"Don't be so controlling on what is posted. You just want to silence the fiscally liberal." Says the person who has pretty much turned these motels into her own blog, and who issues more direct orders to other commenters than anybody else here. I haven't noticed a lot of silencing going on, BTW. Irony, anyone? ; )
ReplyDeleteThis state is in a mess. If there are any easy, politically palatable solutions, I haven't seen them. A person, such as, why, A-n-A, can be realistic about the problems without having sold his soul and having turned into a nasty-wasty Republican. Uh, sheesh!
More irony: a request for someone to give reasons/evidence = "you just want to silence the fiscally liberal." I think that's the political equivalent of taking the 5th!
DeleteIt is indeed a mess with no easy solutions. Here's what I would do: kick it to a bipartisan agreed-to Bowles-Simpson like panel of experts and pledge to put their recommendation up for a yes-or-no vote. This is dangerous (I actually didn't like Bowles-Simpson's plan that much), but I have more faith in that than almost anything else given the likes of Madigan and Rauner.
Second choice: Madigan proposes a budget where every dollar of tax increases in the state income tax is matched by sequestration cuts applied equally across everything but education (Rauner's alleged #1 concern). Then offer to negotiate the equal sequestration cuts to make them more fair - Rauner can "save" programs he likes so long as the Dems can do the same. If Rauner balks, pass it anyway.
While also bleak, I can at least think of a few options for Chicago. Proprety tax hikes will hurt but I think at least a little of that can be off-set by the trend raising property values. You could lease Midway airport, bring in a casino - I'd sell Northerly Island - hardly any Chicagoans use it for any appreciable amount of time and it's prime real estate. Put an airport AND a casino there!
What Jakash said.
DeleteMany people really can't afford a property tax hike in Chicago- to 3:24 poster.
DeleteI see there is a clique here, which is natural to those posters who have been on here from it's inception. New comers aren't always welcome.
Hi Anon @4:07 - please don't be put off by anybody (least of all myself)! And I didn't intend to be flip when I said property taxes will hurt - I don't see any way the city can avoid an increase though (maybe something draconian like getting the state to let CPS go bankrupt).
DeleteNot that I recommend a CPS bankruptcy...
DeleteSounds like a plan, Anon not anon, now propose it to Rauner, Madigan, Cullerton and Rahm. You have all the details thought out, but easier said than done.
ReplyDeleteAmazing how many young ones ditched work today to go praise the Blackhawks and worship some overpaid athletes and say Rah rah Chicago. They should be worrying about paying their student loans.
ReplyDeleteToday I saw a lady with 2 kids under 2, no wedding ring in sight, with some WIC coupon but then spending 8 dollars on a pack of cigarettes. Where's the free birth control clinic before the fact? or being responsible- workers tax dollars should not go for that. Where's daddy?
JP
I wont be bullied by people who think they have all the answers. Perhaps some of them should get off the blog, where they think they are Lord and Master and go find a cure for cancer. It's a shame no one else will stand up to a certain person other than the blog host, who he also puts down. He must be insufferable in person, unless it's all just big talk on here as a blowhard.
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't this person in the legislature solving problems or dealing with an interest group or running for office rather than being on here, playing big fish in a small pond?
Cure for cancer? http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/expert-answers/curcumin/faq-20057858
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(I'm sorry, that was too much fun to resist - but the research behind that really is intriguing, especially for lymphoma though IIRC there's a big caveat for smoking related lymphoma so don't ignore the standard advice to talk to a doctor).
There could be a cure but certainly big Pharma or hospitals and makers of hospital equipment wouldn't be too happy.
DeleteANA you must have been the type who would argue with Professors endlessly just to show off.
Deletehttp://www.illinois.gov/Pages/default.aspx
ReplyDeleteHere Mr. not Anon- there's a link there you can send feedback to the Gov. Go to it. It can't hurt.
Haven't written him on this specifically (used to write Quinn - he didn't seem to listen...) but have written both my state reps. Madigan is hopeless and indeed won't be swayed unless he feels his minions are getting restless (and he's the one who needs to be moved given his iron grip on the Dems and the Dem supermajority). I don't think Rauner would go for either because they either don't or are highly unlikely to give him the anti-union stuff he loves unless the media turned against him en mass (which is what #2 is designed to do).
DeleteMr. Anon not, you should be writing political op ed columns for a paper.
DeleteNow why didn't the actual politicians think of that? It's because they are tied to too many interest groups, either way.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder some people have stopped voting.
AnonymousJune 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM
ReplyDeleteIf Mrs Rauner was the real democrat that she claimed to be she wouldn't sell her soul to marry that conservative. But I guess $ talks. I didn't care for Rahm joining her on some educ.meeting they had recently.
Now aren't Rauner's dirty pool commercials are emotional to a point? Why is it okay for Rauner's business to make a profit but not for Madigan to do so???
Not to switch gears but want to add in a diff. vein, Rahm needs to be more democratic on how the school board and Supt is chosen. His record isn't great with that so far.
Lighten up, Ana and Jak. You guys aren't as important as you think.
ReplyDeleteDon't know which Anon this is, and I can't speak for A-n-A, but if I were deluded enough to believe that I'm important, the Hollywood Tower Hotel would not be the place I'd seek to demonstrate my power! : )
DeleteMr. not anon, good ideas but how do you find the time to think that up? Many with spouse, kids, work, activities, etc wouldn't have the time. They are just being wasted if only being debated on. Write your legislators at the state. Perhaps you are semi-retired.
ReplyDeleteWell remember we've seen sequestration already at the federal level - I think it's telling that some Dems argued it was an option so terrible that it would never come to fruition and if it did there'd be massive suffering. Not to trivialize the pain caused to people who were hurt by the cuts, but the doomsday predictions were overblown to say the least - I'll bet most people didn't even notice - and the deficit shrunk significantly. The idea of bartering cuts was proposed by some on the right at the time because they thought the programs the Dems would fight for wouldn't be popular, but I don't see that danger here. Anyway, the point is these ideas have been floating around (same with "let the politicians hide behind a comission and reluctantly agree not to let the good be hostage to the perfect) - I wish I could take credit for them!
DeleteIf you can, Mr. Anon Not and Mr. Jakash, please read online or in the paper itself if you have it-a good readers' feedback on how Rauner treats the people of IL as if they were his employees and how damaging these managers are in companies where they just cut people out. 2 different issues, also a good piece by Clinton's Sec. of Labor in there on the trade agreement. That should make for some interesting discussion.
ReplyDeleteLetting CPS go bankrupt would break the unions, if that is your objective and thus have corporate run schools.
ReplyDeleteHas the teacher's union gone too far? Perhaps.
ReplyDeleteBismarck was wise to reform German working conditions or the Marxist Revolution would take place there. The Tsar didn't figure that out and we know what happened there.
ReplyDeleteA favorite historical sketch of mine is where they show the uppercrust dancing in a ball room and the hand of the oppressed coming out under the cracking floor.
That ties right in.
DeleteIt does appear as if male posters don't seem to respect female opinions here or see those comments as inferior or not as worthy.
ReplyDeleteUnless an Anonymouse makes some reference to being a woman -- saying she's a mother, or that she once threw up into a Big Gulp cup on the el while pregnant ; ), e.g. -- within the actual comment, how are we supposed to generally know who's a woman and who's not? I believe that Sandy, Coey, Wendy and Nikki are the only relatively regular named commenters here that are women. (And I'm just guessing from the spelling of Nikki, since I'm not sure if she/he has ever said something to indicate her/his gender.) They all make solid comments, so I don't see why anybody would be disrespecting them or seeing their remarks as "inferior", nor do I believe that most of us do so.
DeleteOn a random, no-need-to-be-registered-anywhere comment board like this, where we know little about even the commenters who use their real names, the comments have to largely stand on their own merit. There's not much "argument from authority" on here. Over time, one may come to conclude that some people generally make worthwhile comments and some don't (not mentioning anybody in particular, Advocate of the AC...). But that's pretty hard to do with people who just sign in as Anonymous. I've read quite a hefty pile of comments on EGD, myself, and I still have no idea how many anonymice have actually contributed to this thread, for instance.
In short (well, way too late for that!), if one finds her/his anonymous opinion getting some flak on here, it's likely because people disagree with the opinion, not because they care, nor even realize, whether the commenter is a woman, man, or, dare I say, Robot...
I've never gotten that impression on this site. Comments I've made have been agreed with or disagreed, but I don't feel they've been dissed bc I'm a woman. Unless that is part of what that anonymouse is saying in Italian.
DeleteNo, the Italian isn't saying that cause she's a female.
DeleteYeah, I could get the gist of what was said, I was just trying to put a wee bit of humor in there. Perhaps too wee.
DeleteYou're a sweetie pie, Nikki.
DeleteBlue Bayou
I'm a woman, and I haven't had that impression. In fact, the majority of the ad hominem attacks on me and others here have been by a woman.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you're one of those ladies that are more popular with guys.
ReplyDeleteYou say " a woman." Are you sure it was singular?
I respect your opinion enough to ask what YOU think.
ReplyDeleteI'll give it some thought.
ReplyDeleteSome presume certain posters are ladies when they may not be.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Bruce Jenner story, putting aside any religious thought, what about the whole humanistic morality of doing that to oneself? It has to be a psych. problem.
DeleteMy understanding of humanistic morality is that it is aimed toward happiness and well-being for the greatest number. So I would tend to think that an action that greatly increased a person's happiness and well-being and reduced their suffering, without harming others, would be an ethical act.
DeleteHmmm, I think I see where you are coming from Coey and I could see that would shape your opinion.
DeleteI don't mean to give the impression that I'm particularly knowledgeable about humanism, BTW. I'm the product of 16 years of Catholic education. Not that there's anything wrong with it ;)
DeleteThank goodness I went to a public surburban high school. After k-8 at an often awful and harsh Catholic school with not very nice kids in it either. Catholic colleges were fine but only chose it cause it was close and wasn't commuting.
DeleteDoes anyone wish to discuss the Roof killings incident?
ReplyDeleteThey're bad. We have too many guns. And can't do anything about it due to political cowardice and social pathology. Everything else is fiddling.
DeleteSouth Carolina has an exemption for insanity, but mental illness itself does not preclude eligibility. It seems likely Dylann Roof will eventually be on death row.
DeleteOh yes, death row, with years of appeals at taxpayer dollars if he can't afford his own lawyer. His dad should be charged for getting the nutcase the gun. It wasn't like the son only started acting oddly recently. Why would he give him that then? I say put him in prison with some inner city thugs, then have the guards turn their backs or walk away, wink.
DeleteI remember hearing that years ago China would charge the family for the bullets it took to shoot their family member to death with the firing squad. Now that's what I call a deterrent and we don't have them in our system.
Succinct and so true.
ReplyDeleteAlso due to the overly strong influence and lobby connections of the NRA and the arms manufacturers, who have most Repubs in their pocket.
ReplyDeleteOne prog. news radio show AM 820, had someone saying how FAUX news was claiming it's not guns but insanity. Racism is taught I say, but yeah, duh, mix the insane or angry with easy to obtain guns and off you go.
ReplyDeleteAnA, but what is being counted in that unemp. rate in Wisc? Low paying , part time jobs?
ReplyDeleteBLS calculates unemployment the same way, so anything counted there is counted here. My understanding is that Wisconsin has a lower average salary than Illinois, but also has a lower cost of living.
DeleteJakash - I didn't want to soil NS' lovely Father's Day post, but with respect to the painting...dare I mention "Mattress Girl'"s apparent cognizance of it?
ReplyDeleteWhoa, A-n-A! I'm not sure that any of the motels NS has opened are seedy enough for that... It might have been more appropriate for the Super 8, rather than the Disney hotel, though. ; ) I was aware of Mattress Girl, saw that she had graduated recently, but that was the last I'd heard. Had to google to find out what you were referring to. An article in the Columbia newspaper told me more than I needed to know! I gotta imagine that Magritte would be about as disturbed by such an homage, for lack of a better word, as I was...
DeleteI was not aware of Mattress Girl's further adventures either, and also had to Google. I couldn't bring myself to actually watch the video, though.
DeleteMe, either, Coey.
DeleteJakash/Coey - IKWYM - I had just seen that (the news story, not the video) a couple of days before and when the painting actually appeared and was being discussed on the blog it was too much for me not to remark upon it. I'm reminded of a professor of mine who once spoke a double-entendre and upon hearing chuckles from the class looked at us sternly and said "Get your minds out of the gutter! So mine can float by." (See, now I just realized that might be a comment on y'all, which it wasn't, just free flowing thoughts. Ok, I'm shutting up now for today!)
DeleteI may have to appropriate your prof's line.
DeleteDon't be silly Ana, you aren't soiling anything.
ReplyDeleteAnA, do you think it's wise of Gov. Rauner to do the attack style TV ads on Madigan? It's bad enough when those commercials are on during election, let alone between elections. It could backfire.
ReplyDeleteI have split feelings about the badness of political ads all year round - it's not like the commercial ones are a lot better and the more people become numb to the bad ones (you know the type: ominous music plays over darkened faces of the opposition, grave announcer making an issue seem black and white, nameless advocacy group tagline at the end) the better. I think you're right that the Rauner ads could backfire, but I can also see them working. I mean, what does he have to lose? Madigan and the Dems already have a veto-proof supermajority, and in the worst case scenario how many of the few GOP seats are in swing districts? The only thing stopping Madigan/Dems from using that power is that they are afraid of public opinion and don't want to wear the collar for higher taxes. To the extent Rauner can push some of that on Madigan he's more likely to get the anti-worker initiatives he wants. And if it's an epic fail, he still has the long-game that he and the GOP are the only ones willing to make the hard choices, stand up to the labor-puppet Democrats, etc. etc.
Deletethanks for your reply, makes sense to me
DeleteIf I were King, the first piece of campaign finance reform I'd institute would be to ban ALL political advertising on TV. I'm sure the "money is speech", "corporations are people" Supreme Court would back me, no? ; )
Deleteyes, if only...
Deleteand what a waste of $
Well this is rich. An NRA exec. said it's the pastor's fault those people were killed in church because the pastor didn't allow handguns in the church, otherwise they could have gunned the guy down. Wow, they can twist anything around. Let's just live like the old days at the OK corral.
ReplyDeletehttp://news.yahoo.com/nra-executive-suggests-slain-charleston-pastor-blame-gun-043458974.html
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ReplyDeleteThose NRA execs probably have wet dreams where everyone is armed and life is one big Tarantino film. *priest steps before congregation, whips out AK-47 "Now fill those collection baskets and let us pray"*
ReplyDeleteYep. That could work. Sigh.
well said, Nikki
ReplyDeleteHeard the other day that the Israeli gov't, gave Michael Douglas some million dollar cash award for something or another. One would think they had better things to do with their money.
ReplyDeleteWhat is his great feat of accomplishment?
Glad to see that the ST staff, has found the elusive info of the person with the antler on his head in the cop photo. No surprise that the CPD couldn't find it, or so they claimed.
ReplyDeletethat one interim preacher at that AME church was talking of demons of hell, says the st article on mon.
ReplyDeletehe needs to look at so called demons of nra and the party in it's pocket and how to work on racism and how to get a clue sooner on the mentally ill
Here's a shocker-
DeleteBilly Graham's grandson quits Florida church after admitting 'moral failing'
Does anyone wish to share thoughts on some of the items posted above?
ReplyDeleteNo surprise on this one- wait till he becomes old news
ReplyDeleteCaitlyn Jenner Facing Family Backlash From Sons And Kardashian Step-Daughters
While a lengthy adjustment period would be required for any family going through this, no doubt they also resent the spotlight being off themselves. That's always seemed to be their main concern.
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DeleteTime for a new room please, NS. We have 129 here already. It's a long scroll. ;)
ReplyDeleteNot as long as finding a motel and taking a picture of it. I'll get to it as soon as possible.
DeleteYou are a perfectionist indeed, Mr. S.
ReplyDeleteOK, here's a question for NS: When the Weekly Standard reviewed "You Were Never in Chicago," the writer contrasted you with another Sun-Times columnist, the late Sydney J. Harris, who the reviewer didn't like. I've often thought the opposite - that you often remind me of Sydney J. Harris (who I liked - I have a collection of his writing on my bookshelf). Did you like Harris? Do you think your more like him or unlike him (realizing those a very broad questions).
ReplyDeleteThat took me aback. Poor Sydney J. Harris, he was friends with Saul Bellow, and Bellow repaid him by creating a character based on him in Humboldt's Gift who had a collstomy bag...well, it was unflattering. I liked Harris' ruminative quality, his gentleness, his quiet curiosity. I saw myself as being far closer to a Harris-type writer than to Royko, focusing on the little guy getting the shaft. That's why it surprised me when Ken Towers mentioned him (for the puzzled, A-n-A is referring to a scene in "You Were Never in Chicago" where the managing editor of the paper tells me he always thought I could be the next Sydney J. Harris, at which the Weekly Standard sputtered, in essence, "Why would anybody WANT to be Sydney J. Harris?" He might have been a tad self-satisfied, but then he was far more successful than I'll ever be, so my self-doubt is dearly purchased.
DeleteWhich leads one (or me, anyway) to inquire as to your opinion of Bellow, NS. We went to the HW Library on the centenary of his birth a couple weeks ago for
Deletea program where a theater group performed one of his short stories and Scott Turow gave a nice speech about how important Bellow was to him. I'm always
curious to see how many people will show up for things like that. It was in the downstairs auditorium and I'd say there were about a hundred people there.
Lots of empty seats. At the end, Turow said something like, "which is why I expect people still will be gathering to talk about him in another hundred years" and I thought, "not if this turnout is any indication..." Full disclosure: there WAS a Blackhawks Final home game that night! ; )
I'll be honest, he never did anything for me. I haven't delved that much, so it's a lightly-considered opinion. I did read James Atlas biography of him, so was put off by his utter jerkishness and selfishness.
DeleteWell, I can certainly understand that, as I've read two of his books, but am in no hurry to pick up another. You're just jealous because you're not "an American, Chicago born". Me neither. Him neither, for that matter. ; ) Actually, going to the event was my wife's idea, she being one to appreciate fine prose and poetry more than I. And Bellow could certainly write, whatever one thinks of the results. As far as the jerkishness, seems to me that you're holding him to a stricter standard than Wagner, e.g., but that's probably because you enjoy the artistic output of the latter, but not the former. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
DeleteAnon-not-Anon said...
ReplyDeleteThanks for the response - I'm tempted to quip "well, it's the Weekly Standard" but there's often a disconnect between political journals and their book reviews and/or essayists (the Weekly Standard used to - and maybe still does - feature the work of Joseph Epstein, who I think is quite good too). I think Harris would appreciate a line/observation like "so my self-doubt is dearly purchased."
(Re: the weird "Anon-not-Anon said..." - had to cut and paste from another browser - Catpcha didn't work).
DeleteJakash, that sounds like a very intellectual seminar at that library. I recall visiting the Newberry library for a history fair and hearing a talk on Mary Todd Lincoln at the Union League club, along with a talk on Harriet Beecher Stowe at the Chicago History museum when it was the Historical Society. But that was all when I lived closer to the city.
ReplyDeleteAs for today's ST report on Jackson jr. writing a book. I wouldn't give him a cent for his book. Mr. entitled cheat, along with his greedy wife.
You'll just have to move downtown to enjoy more of the types of programs that you mention, at those swell venues. I would imagine the Trump Tower might have some condos available, in which case you could be indirectly contributing to his campaign! ; )
Deleteha, no thanks
DeleteI tried reading Herzog when I was young and couldn't get 30 pages into it. Vowed to return to it one day but never did.
ReplyDeleteHere, Neil. Let me save a busy man some time. How about the Marriot on Mich. Ave downtown?
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Any Neil Diamond fans here?
ReplyDeleteGlad that the Boston Bomber got a death sentence. I usually don't agree with Steve Huntley the conserve, but he's correct when he recently wrote it is a deterrent. More so if so many appeals weren't allowed. Why should he be breathing when others aren't or are hopping on one leg?
ReplyDeleteRemember that criminal that chased his girlfriend down in IL, where he knew there was no death penalty so chose the site of killing on that. If the death sentence was applied more often, it may be even more of a detterent..
Whatever "deterrent" effect the death penalty provides depends largely on who the criminal is. Given that so many of the most terrible incidents of late have involved perpetrators who have then killed THEMSELVES, I don't find the deterrent effect to be as compelling as you and Mr. Huntley evidently believe it to be. Such a-holes have preferred death to imprisonment, clearly. Had they lived, executing them would have been giving them what they wanted.
DeleteIn most crimes of passion, a reasonable consideration of what the consequences will be doesn't seem to be much of a factor. One anecdotal case (or several) does not justify the state stooping to an "eye for an eye" philosophy in dealing with those who have no respect for life or the law. IMHO, of course.
The death penalty is not much of a deterrent, really, as almost 90% of criminologists agree. Clearly it wasn't in the case of the bombings in Boston. The murder rate is consistently lower in states that don't have the death penalty.
DeleteIn that case you cite, while the murderer did research whether Illinois had the death penalty, a much greater factor in his murdering her here is that this is where she lived and worked. I highly doubt that if he had discovered that IL did have the death penalty, he would have stayed home in Canada.
I find the notion of no appeals process to be a frightening one, given all the cases of wrongful convictions.
Apropos of nothing, my ranking of which CAPTCHA selections I prefer when I must play "where's Waldo" in order to post a comment, thereby thwarting those hapless robots, other than Robbie, of course.:
ReplyDeleteSandwiches
Steak (Mmmm..., but I don't actually eat it very often)
Pasta
Ice cream
Drinks
Cake
Sushi
Any I'm missing may be placed above sushi!
LOL, I agree Jakash. That captcha is a bother and does nothing to help dieting.
ReplyDeleteThe hardest ones to see are the street sign ones.
ReplyDeleteJakash and Coey, you should email Mr. Huntley your thoughts. You can find his email at the end of columns or look on the ST website.
ReplyDeleteUh, if I wanted to start emailing conservative columnists, I wouldn't begin with, nor ever get around to Mr. Huntley. Other than your occasional references to him here, I don't think I'd ever heard of him.
DeleteFricking SUSHI again that time! D'oh! when I'd prefer dough...
DeleteHe's in the SunTimes a few times a week. No need to be condescending, Jakash.
DeleteGive that Mr. Huntley begins his column with "Sometimes an eye for an eye is the right answer, the only answer," I doubt he would find my thoughts persuasive. I don't find his to be so, in this case and often in others.
DeleteHuntley is pathetic - I want the Sun-Times to have a dissenting conservative voice, just not a hack. It seems like 2/3 of his columns are about Israel, and they all say the same thing. He couldn't even take on the one sacred cow at the Sun-Times: immigration reform (he joined in that weird alliance of progressives and US Chamber conservatives). I doubt he reads his email
DeleteI'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one who actually reads the paper here. I guess for some that's too mundane. It's not an end all but a good start for general news.
ReplyDeleteI read it. Both Chicago papers, actually. I don't watch TV news, though, unless you count The Daily Show. I kind of dread the day when I'll have to read it all electronically, even though I like my iPad.
DeleteI like to do the crossword puzzle, too. ;)
DeleteI apologize if my response was condescending. I thought I was simply being matter-of-fact. And I thought your suggestion that Coey and I should email the guy when we're just having a discussion here was presumptuous. So there! : )
DeleteNow, if you want me to be condescending... One can read a lot of papers and not know who Mr. Huntley is. I'll grudgingly admit that, since long before he started this blog, NS's column is the primary thing, and usually the only thing, I read in the Sun-Times. We've subscribed in the past, but not for quite a while, alas. If this isn't sacrilege to mention here, I read the Tribune and a fair amount of the New York Times, with a smattering of the Washington Post. The internet can be a wonderful thing... sometimes.
The sad thing is that the Sun-Times has always distinguished itself via lively columnists. Roger Ebert noted that even during the days of dubious ownership the independent spirit of the paper persisted. Sun-Times columnists who jumped to the Tribune invariably have been less interesting. The Sun-Times used to host Evans and Novak (then just Evans), and ran George Will's column. There are plenty of thought provoking conservative writers out there, or the paper could launch one on its own. Instead they trot out a guy who makes Bill Kristol's New York Times run seem like a fountain of creative thought.
DeleteThe Tribune is touting the fact that they're adding pages and pages of "opinion" to the paper, as if that's something to be excited about. I'd be much more impressed if they said they were adding a dozen new reporters. If newspapers ever actually go away altogether, it's the reporting that will be missed the most, IMHO. Somebody needs to keep track of all the crap that goes on unremarked upon and inform folks about what's really going on in the world. Of course, the greatest thing about a newspaper is what a compendium of diverse information it is -- some important, some fun, some opinionated, etc. But, with all due respect to our host, (who is invaluable!) finding well-expressed opinions is not something that's been negatively affected by the rise of the internet. If the S-T doesn't have a worthwhile conservative voice writing for it, it's not like there aren't plenty to be found elsewhere. (Assuming, for the sake of argument, that such a thing actually exists, that is...) ; )
DeleteCoey,
Right there with you on the TV news. It's largely an abomination and on the rare occasions when there's some important breaking story that I want to check out, it's all I can do to sit through ten minutes of it. It boggles my mind that there are "news junkies" who watch CNN or Fox or MSNBC regularly. Same goes for the local news, of course. It's always interesting to me to see where the screaming, highly-promoted, main story of the night on TV news ends up in the paper the next day, if it's actually worth putting in the paper at all.
Yes, I prefer the paper in hand as well.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised to learn that the SC governor is East Indian. It surprises me more that southerners, with their track record, would vote for her or for Jindahl in LA. I guess as long as they are conserve.
ReplyDeleteWhile Illinois has only elected white men as governor.
DeleteFull disclosure: my son lives in the south, and I have visited often, so I resist the portrayal of "southerners" as a monolithic entity.
DeleteIs that the son that indirectly made you get sick on the el train? ;)
Deletethanks for your reply, Jakash
That was my daughter, actually. But he has plenty of episodes to answer for himself! Pregnancy isn't for sissies.
DeleteI think a part of it is if the minority is seen as a threat to the majority - Indians are a very small percentage of the population down there. Progressives are hardly immune to this phenomena: witness the caps put on the number of Asian students at universities.
ReplyDeletegood point, ANA
ReplyDeleteI doubt if Huntley emails back either. He never has to me when I disagree or even once when I agreed.
ReplyDeleteAs for today's Sneed column, I know it's just entertainment reporting but do we really need to know that Hillary got her hair fixed and where? She never writes back either.
Ms. Mitchell gives replies sometimes. Our host here is usually good about replying. So is Mark Brown or some of the sports writers.
I did once actually email Sneed, expressing my annoyance with her continual references to Pippa Middleton as "the derrière," which I found sexist, offensive, and lacking in imagination. I did not receive a reply. It seems to me that Sneed wants to be taken seriously as a reporter, and I'm sure she has earned that over the years, but then she'll include the most vapid items with a "dontcha know" or similar phrase at the end as if she's above what she's choosing to tell us.
ReplyDeleteSo Bristol Palin is expecting a 2nd child and seems to be clueless. What a flake, like her mother.
ReplyDeleteCoey, agree about your comments on Sneed's writing.
ReplyDeleteWhat's really harsh here is how people have to work longer and longer to get full retirement benefits or soc. sec.
ReplyDeleteWe could learn things from Europe.
And how nice that in many Euro nations, no I don't want to move there, we have to improve things here, give better and paid leave of absences for new moms. Socialism sure isn't a dirty word, like some conserve think. And there they figure that a CEO making, let's say, 12 Million is enough,He doesn't need, nor could anyone really deserve to earn 30- mill. etc. Watch out, here comes certain fiscal conservs to attack soon, the fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal, the opposite of me. And they aren't bled out in Europe as far as companies go. They are making good profits. Germany is a good example, but here too much goes into the military playing world policeman in lost causes. I love my country, just not the conservs and oligarchy of big business and Wall St. that is ruining the middle class. The rich can afford to pay more, not saying to fully bleed them out , not advocating Communism. I suppose the conserve will say watch out, they'll all move to SE Asia or Central Amer. , well not all, and they outsource so much anyway since we wont work for a buck a day. We are going back to the days of uncontrolled capitalism or laissez faire days of the late 19th or early 20th century. And look how businesses pollute air and water too or are against environ. controls, as are Repubs. So I have no interest in reading what bull the Repub/ conserve apologists will come up with. THat just tells me they are finding tax loopholes themselves. Not saying we have to enable, the lazy , druggies either. And I believe that those on welfare should be taking a drug test, like many do at workplaces. You want tax payers money, come clean then. True some Euro nations smaller so that would be easier there.
ReplyDeleteThe govt owes it's people something, we don't owe help to those overseas who don't do much to help selves or want us providing fighters and are always fighting amongst selves, so we can protect Big Oil investment, CHeney/ Bush style.
Terrorism should be fought here only and crack down on that without worrying if one is pc or not.
If one wants to see the 20 somethings get involved in politics more, install a draft.
ReplyDeleteAs Ali said during the Nam era. I have no beef with No. Vietmanese, they didn't call him the N word.
I see that Rauner blinked and did allow some of the $ to go to the CPS.
ReplyDeleteHe's still holding tough on vetoing general budget. I don't trust billionaires. They are milking the system somehow or using too many loopholes to get that wealthy. Same with 100 thousand range multimillionaires.
As to that cold, Spock like person who posts here- politics and finance can get mixed in with emotion if someone is getting screwed financially or environmentally by powerful , wealthy groups.
ReplyDeleteGlad to see that CJ Roberts, isn't an arch conservative.
ReplyDeleteAlso, interesting about the obit. on Marva Collins. She taught the right way,away from the bull of the CPS schools
,with all the latest, costly fads on teaching and missing the basics.
Scary to see all the small, private hospitals being bought out by a few big names in hospital corporations. Bottom line will be all that matters.
ReplyDeleteIt's a travesty that they let that cop killer out so early.
ReplyDeleteInspired by an anon above, all I can say is, never trust a billionaire or millionaire. Their sole motivation? Get the money from your wallet into theirs.
ReplyDeleteI like Carol Marin's column in the Sun-Times today. A shame that the mother who lost her home health care for her disabled daughter,while she herself was dying of cancer, was desperate enough to kill her daughter knowing no one could care for her. Thanks to those who voted against a slight tax on millionaires. And no thanks to Rauner who is cutting in the wrong places.
ReplyDeleteI just saw a piece on how a film critic is calling for a ban of Gone With The Wind because it's racist. I really hope that goes nowhere, great film, gorgeous score. I wonder how long it takes for "Amazing Grace." That was written by a slave trader after all. Oh bother.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair the critic didn't actually call for a ban, he just thought society should recognize that it has some ugly racist aspects to it and not afford it such an iconic status. I thought the NY Post headline for the piece, " 'Gone With The Wind' should go the way of the Confederate flag," Was not particularly apt. No one is flying GWTW at government buildings/grounds and, as far as I know, no one is saying individuals don't have the right to display the Confederate flag. Of course, the Post has never been accused of being understated in its headlining.
DeleteOops, I need to slow down my reading. Still, GTTW shouldn't be placed in the same category as Birth of a Nation.
DeleteI've never seen Birth of a Nation, but from what I know about it, I completely agree.
DeleteI've seen clips of it and yes, it's typical 19 teens fare. Griffith, the director,was from VA, if I recall properly. So no surprise there. The black face is awful and the Klan being made to be good guys trying to save white women from would be rapists. Yes, I'm sure back in the old south where a black man could get shot/lynched for looking at a lady, the black men were really looking to rape them. NOT
DeleteCoey strikes again.
DeleteYes, that would be going overboard to ban GWTW. Where does it end?
ReplyDeleteSomeone mentioned Neil Diamond the other day; this is kind of a fun article:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.avclub.com/article/coming-america-12-pivotal-moments-life-neil-diamon-221249
That's a good career history, Coey, along with some early photos.
ReplyDeleteI especially enjoyed the clip from Mannix.
DeleteHere is a good oldie but goodie that I haven't seen since a kid, watching Tv of ND.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ4gmMF7MoU
Congrats, everyone...we've reached the 200 comment mark on the Hollywood Tower Hotel ! (I'm gonna miss the place when we leave it :)
ReplyDeleteI doubt we ever will. NS is too busy to get a new one. He's too fussy on getting hotel pics. Just say here's the off topic blog, nice and simple. Why create work? Though we are grateful.
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