Friday, September 12, 2025

Charlie Kirk assassination another tear in the unraveling fabric of American life

The San Martin Palace in Buenos Aires. Once private residences, now the ceremonial headquarters of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

     Buenos Aires is a beautiful city. At least along the tree-lined boulevards of the Retiro. Domed buildings, charming streetlights, couples dancing the tango in pocket parks. "It's like the love child of New York and Paris," I told friends, after visiting.
     So it was unexpected and jarring, on a walking tour, to suddenly have the guide start talking about thousands of Argentinians dropped to their deaths from helicopters during the 1970s "dirty war," after the takeover of a military junta — about secret torture sites and desaparecidos, "the disappeared," people who vanished without a trace into the machinery of state oppression.
     You realize, once again, how fragile society can be. How quickly it can decay under a pretty surface. How easily, despite the Beaux Arts buildings and comfortable cafes, it all can go horribly wrong. How what should be the central, cherished values of any decent culture — respect for life and individual dignity, our ability to work out differences through debate and the ballot box — can quickly dissolve into horror.
     The murder of right-wing commentator Charlie Kirk is both a horror and another warning sign that our vaunted American civil society is hurtling into a ditch whose depth none can predict.
     Not just a human tragedy — Kirk, 31, was married, the father of two young children — but a gear in a larger, grinding global disaster where the clanking mechanism of democracy is seen as no longer acceptable. This assassination happened against a background of norms and laws being shredded, of American soldiers sent into cities, supposedly to combat crime. But it doesn't take a very active imagination to suspect the troops are, as Gov. JB Pritzker has said, there to acclimate Americans to the idea of armed military in our streets. Because though the Trump administration has not shown any special interest in the hard work of fighting crime, it does display a keen desire to paint its adversaries as criminals.
     Before a suspect was even in custody, the usual MAGA screamers were at it. President Donald Trump blamed those calling out his excesses for the killing.
     “For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals," Trump said. "This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.”
     The comparison to the Nazis is used because Trump and his supporters say things reminiscent of the Nazis. The Reichstag fire was the pretext for turning Germany into a police state. Kirk's death was immediately put to similar use.
     “It’s time for the Trump administration to shut down, defund, & prosecute every single Leftist organization," close Trump ally Laura Loomer wrote. "We must shut these lunatic leftists down. Once and for all. The Left is a national security threat.”
     If not Kirk, it would be someone else. For days before Wednesday's murder, that awful video of Iryna Zarutska, a Ukrainian refugee stabbed to death on a train in North Carolina, was shown in heavy rotation on right-wing media. Not because of a sudden sympathy for immigrants, but for their eagerness to spotlight certain groups of victims and criminals, part of an endless shriek of grievance, to demonize those who disagree with them and justify their repression.
     This is a very old playbook. In the 1870s, it was called "waving the bloody shirt" — using the losses of the Civil War for an emotional appeal to gain political advantage.

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35 comments:

  1. Connect the dots in post-war America. The Strom Thurmond segregationists starting in the 40s, McCarthy, William F. Buckley, Goldwater, Nixon's southern strategy and silent Americans, Reagan, Proposition 13 in California, fundamentalist Christianity, the billionaire class, the rise of Fox News and the great right-wing propaganda machine. The people who vote for this have been encouraged for decades to marinate in anger, hate and resentment, but it's up to us liberal types to go to diners in Ohio to better understand them and find ways to reach across the aisle. There's not even a thought given to the notion that they could also spend a little time getting to know and understand the other half.
    These MAGAs who talk about civil war have no idea of fire they are playing with. Jim Stewartson, a war correspondent now living in Kiev, said that he's lived in countries embroiled in civil war. He simply noted that "you do not want to live in a place like that."

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  2. The murder of Charlie Kirk is terrible and there is no place in our society or it.

    Just like Kirk's ideas and statements.

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    1. It seems Mr. Robinson agreed with you.

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  3. The writer I meant to quote is Philip Ittner, not Jim Stewartson.

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  4. Kirk was never a "wonderful person" as out demented, deranged fascist in the White House spewed out.
    He hated blacks, Jews, gays, immigrants & everyone that wasn't like him.
    He wanted all gays stoned to death!
    Seriously, what have they done that would deserve that?
    Nothing!
    Simple, he wanted a bible based Christian country, with all laws based on the primitive, hateful crap in that vile book of fiction.
    Basically, he wanted a Christian sharia set of laws!
    Except for the gun laws he so hated. he said that guns deaths were a necessary part of keeping the Second Amendment.
    I wonder if his widow also feels that way now?
    He had a nine year old daughter & said if she were raped & got pregnant from that rape, he would force her to carry the rapist's baby to term, something that a nine year old's body is not fit for & could kill her or make her sterile for life.
    He doesn't deserve a single word of praise he's gotten in the last two days.
    He doesn't deserve the presidential medal of freedom, he's getting posthumously, a medal totally whose meaning has been debased by that deranged, demented fascist.
    One congresswoman, Anna Paulina Lunatic from Florida actually sent the Speaker a demand that a statue of him be placed in the Capitol Building!
    He was never a good guy just debating people, he was a flat out menace to a civil society & I certainly won't miss him!

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    1. While I can't disagree with the gist of your comment, Kirk's daughter was not 9 years old. More like 4. I think you're getting your right-wing lunatics confused.

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    2. His two children are one and three.

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    3. This is the stuff that's interesting. I had really only heard the bad but when you actually dig into his statements, he toes the line, never crosses it. A lot of baiting where folks who don't appreciate nuance miss. I looked up whether he said that gays should be stoned and he straight up did not. His point was you can't quote the bible for honor thy neighbor and not the stoning part - it's all full of contradictions. Everything gets ripped out of context. Is it baiting to some, yes. Did he say it, no. Is he purposely baiting? How do I know, I wasn't in his head. He pointed out the hypocrisy of a liberal bias just like many point out the hypocrisy of conservative bias. Bottom line - whether we realize it or not, we're all hypocrites. He was beloved among conservatives and many view this an assassination on the level of MLK and RFK. Folks on the liberal side may view him as a menace but the equivalency is folks on the conservative side viewing Colbert & Kimmel & Stewart as a menace. Half our voting population is hurting badly.

      The arguments and strife on 9/11 on what should be a day of mourning and unity is breaking my heart. We are in a bad place.

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    4. He was asked if his nine year old was raped & got pregnant. I didn't know that part wasn't accurate.

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    5. Anonymous 10:16 my heart is broke and we are in a bad place

      Clark Street not the first time but I see your post is still up if it's inaccurate it should be taken down

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    6. "The murder of right-wing commentator Charlie Kirk is both a horror and another warning sign that our vaunted American civil society is hurtling into a ditch whose depth none can predict." Indeed. I'd heard of the guy, but knew little about him, and certainly did not understand his significance to the orange felon and his MAGA minions.

      Anonymous at 10:16 says: "many view this an assassination on the level of MLK and RFK..." Yes, those people don't seem to understand the difference between advocating for non-violence and social justice, rather than being a provocateur whose agenda seemed to be to make young white men feel justified in their prejudices.

      There are dangerous folks willing to shoot people on both sides of the political spectrum. The left, though, tries to control guns, while some Congresscritters on the right celebrate them with lapel pins of assault weapons, and many of their voters, like Mr. Kirk seemed to, feel that the their misinterpretation of the Second Amendment is perhaps the most important feature of the Constitution.

      There has never been an American president who so blatantly politicized every aspect of the administration for his own benefit, while often demonizing his opponents.

      Anonymous at 10:16 also said: "he toes the line, never crosses it."

      I don't want to explore any more of this guy's rhetoric than I have to, so I'll just give one example to dispute that. This seems to me to pretty clearly cross the line.

      In discussing affirmative action, specifically with regard to Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Ketanji Brown Jackson, he says flat-out: "You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. ... We know, we know, it's very obvious to us that you were not smart enough to be able to get in on your own."

      https://tinyurl.com/33vjjeht

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    7. Thanks Jakash - appreciate the addition. That is a horrific and totally disgusting comment made in on July 13, 2023. (And don't search more rhetoric good or bad because even in incognito mode or temp search on chatgpt, it will fill your instagram.) There will always be "debate" about someone gaining access to positions of power at someone else's expense (OK, griping) but Judge Jackson thusfar has an exceptional record with no ethics questions and the Former First Lady (not sure how marriage is affirmative action???) took the work that Laura Bush began in elevating the role of First Lady / Person (room for Doug, Chasten, whoever....) to incredible heights.
      This is all just so sad and confusing and gross and dividing.
      Love to you and all your families.
      - Anon 10:16 (that just sounds like a messed up bible quote from the book of I Don't Get It)

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    8. And I thank you for the thoughtful reply, Anon 10:16. (BTW, if you want to, instead of clicking Anonymous in the commenting box, if you click on the little arrow to the right of it, and then click on "Name / URL," you can type in whatever real or made-up name you'd like to differentiate yourself from all the other anonymous folks commenting here.) (Or not!)

      The state of the union is sad and gross, to be sure. But I didn't even realize that you had your own book in the Bible. 😉 Take care.

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    9. Just for the record, Charlie graduated from Wheeling (IL) H.S. in 2011.

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  5. This is a very nice piece, Neil.

    I am reminded again how there are two realities at hand. Those who are willing to have an open honest conversation about the greater good, freedom, America, what our role in the world is, and anything center and to the right of center.

    We lack a true national media landscape that condemns both the shooting of charlie kirk and the rhetoric that lead to his death. Kirk wanted a world of whites only. He was a christian nationalist, a racist, homophobic, sexist, antisemitic, anti American, fascist. He was a high school graduate, who dropped out of community college and couldn't make it passed the first round of interviews at west point. He funded busses to the January 6th insurrection and helped organized it. He was funded by dark money from right wing extremist and blamed all of his failures anyone who wasn't exactly like him.

    Our society's "news" response to his murder has been horrific. White washing at its finest, refusal to admit what the actual problems are, moments of silence at a game where a black man was blackballed for expressing his first amendment rights without calling for anyone to be harmed or hurt.

    We will continue to slide into the darkness until organizations across the country, and the world, start to talk about the truth... honestly.

    Kirk was not a good person; that doesn't mean his murder was warranted or called for.

    But his death doesn't mean he's forgiven of his sins, the affront to our countries founding principles, or the rights continued call for the crackdown on the very freedoms he abused.

    Political violence is uncalled for, just like charlie kirk.

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  6. I fear I must live in a hole in the road. Until his killing I had never heard the name Charlie Kirk. Zero recognition. Who? Charlie Kirk? Who he? That must say something about me because all of you folks appear to know of this man. Mrs. St. Claire and I watch David Muir most nights. We still subscribe to print editions of Wall Street Journal and New York Times. Delivered in the driveway daily. I thought myself reasonably well informed. Apparently not. Apparently I must have skipped over dozens of articles regarding the rise of the young man. Clearly I need to do a better job.

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    1. Our biggest issue today is how disparate the information we receive is from the people sitting next to us.

      Everyone thinks we're reading the same facts and ideas. This couldn't be farther from the truth.

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    2. Our kind host used a phrase in today's piece- "an endless shriek of grievance".

      I think that hits the nail right on the head.

      So many people in this country think they're being done wrong.

      The solution?

      Certainly not violence of any kind against anyone.

      Modulation?

      I don't think we've got it in US

      Did you see our Representatives screaming at each other right in the halls of Congress immediately after a call for a moment of silence.

      These are our leaders?

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    3. Franco, was there a moment of silence in the halls of congress for Melissa Hortman, her husband, and her dog?

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    4. Yes double b there was it was led by representative Iman Omar.

      I'm not sure exactly what the point you're making is mine is modulation if we could all just turn it down a little bit all of us

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    5. You and me both. Grizz here. Computer is FUBAR. Don't know when I will be able to sign back in again. I had never heard of Charlie Kirk until I heard the breaking news bulletin on CBS Radio, while in my car. Thought he was some rabid right-wing radio talk-show jock who had a show called Turning Point. When I heard "shot in the neck"...I knew that wasn't good. Did not learn of his death until three hours later. Saw the video. Wish I could unsee it.

      Don't care for ABC News, but I watch NBC and CBS most evenings (a 60-year habit I just cannot kick), and Rachel Maddow every week on MSNBC. Nary a mention of Charlie or his outfit.

      Did some homework. Read some quotes. Jews aren't white. The 2nd Amendment protects our GOD-GIVEN rights (and all the other amendments), and gun deaths are just collateral damage. And so much additional swill and rubbish that won't be repeated here. He lived by the gun...and he died by the gun. Bye-bye, Charlie. A lot of good people die every day. Charlie Kirk was not one of them.

      As a country, it feels more and more as though we are damaged, or even broken, beyond repair. America is like a 250-year-old pocket watch that needs a major overhaul before it will once again operate correctly. That would require a master craftsman. But no such party is available. He or she may no longer even exist. Instead of a skilled watchmaker, we now have a ham-handed watch-breaker. And that watch? It's on borrowed time... [sorry]

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  7. I had never even heard of Charlie Kirk before his murder. My 20-something Son had and was very familiar with him.

    He actually referred to himself as a liberal maga. If we are losing Urban youth we better be paying more attention.

    The messaging of the Democratic party does not resonate with many young people in our country.

    They are fed up with the duopoly and the security/surveillance state.

    Two parties with the same goal to enable corporate greed at the expense to The working Man.

    I'm not saying this he is you aught to talk to him sometime.

    We in the progressive wing of the party are in trouble

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    1. My personal experience is that most self-labelling liberal republicans are people who want want protection for all their money and property and their ability to aquire more at the expense of everyone else, but want sex with anyone, any way and time without social or religious censure.

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  8. As some of the other commenters have mentioned, I also had never heard of this young man. I was watching Cuomo on News Nation (they're supposed to be neutral, but not really). And they were all decked out in mourning black and carrying on like the pope himself had been killed. One person was comparing this to what it must have been like when MLK and RFK were assassinated. I thought this must have been quite a wonderful person. Needless to say, after studying up on him, my feelings are very different. Of course, that's not the point; he shouldn't have been murdered. But to know he actually felt it was perfectly justified to have a certain number of gun casualties every year in order to keep their God given (?) right to guns, I admit gave me a different perspective. Will his loved ones be comforted because he took one for the cause? Or was that just for the rest of us?

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    1. Carol, the vitriol Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. received, and continues to receive to this day are a constant reminder of the how broken and unfix able the right is.

      Show me when Dr. King called for violence. Show men when Dr. King called any deaths worth it. Show me when Dr. King said Jewish money was ruining US Culture. Show me when Dr. King said empathy was made up and a new age term. Tell me when Dr. King called for someone to pay the bail for the release of an individual who attempted to kill the husband of a sitting member of congress. Show me when Dr. King gave up on a college degree and blamed other people for his inadequacies.

      Charlie Kirk's death is awful. Political violence has no place in our country or the world.

      Charlie Kirk's views were appalling. He was the opposite of what the United States stands for. Even comparing him to such great people like Dr. King or RFK is an insult to them both. Anyone who does is part of the problem that led to these dark times we are in.

      His murder is wrong, but so was mr. kirk.

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    2. I agree with everything you're saying. Just want to make sure to clarify these weren't my comparisons. These remarks were made by some Republican members of congress, and a commentator

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  9. I'm trying to ignore all the BS being flung by the right and promulgated by all the media like crazed mockingbirds on the murder of this clean-cut, self-aggrandizing grifter, but I have to ask: Who is footing the bill for the use of government property like Air Force 2, the manhours, etc. for this murdered civilian? Opportunistic personal friend Vance? His high holiness Donald Trump? The right-wing Schutzstaffel?

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  10. Many commenters here and elsewhere are stating that they had little or no idea who Charlie Kirk was...the people he insulted and ridiculed, those whose basic human rights and lives he felt necessary to disregard and destroy — they had no such luxury. Doesn't matter if he was doing it for money, fame, or if he truly believed his racist, misogynist ideologies. There were real world consequences for his garbage.
    Dr King harmed absolutely no one.

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  11. Charlie Kirk was a good debater, and he used that skill to engage young conservatives. There is a group farther to the right than Kirk, led by Nick Fuentes, who would show up at Kirk's events and heckle him. Charlie Kirk was disliked by the left AND the far right. I'm saddened by the use of violence to silence speech, no matter the ideology. And I'm saddened, too, by the lack of leaders who should be condemning political violence across the spectrum.

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  12. Huh? Everything I have heard from TV, internet, newspapers, radio, most politicians at all levels, clergy,, etc have ALL denounced his murder and violence. Even those who despised his ideology. Where have you been gleaning?

    I find your two deviating points, left and FAR right, curious. Mr. Kirk was not a centrist Republican unless your using descriptive standards from the mid 20th century.

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  13. Clark St. is justifying the murder of Charlie Kirk. His wife and two daughters were 10 feet away from him when he was gunned down. His little daughter ran towards him not knowing what was going on.

    And Clark is a regular commenter to this blog.

    His post wasn't blocked.

    Says a lot about this blog.

    I don't care who's doing the shooting and who's getting killed. I condemn it everything in every case.

    If we go down this road we'll wake up in Yugoslavia.

    BTW Kirk was regularly heckled by Nick Fuentes followers for being too liberal and pro-Israel.

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    1. Thats how they roll.

      Dont want the baby? Kill it. Dont like a president? Kill him

      Didnt take the magic potion? No more hospital for you. Kill it.

      Cant win an argument, kill the person.

      Its always been so,

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  14. Remember when DC was boarded up after Joey and the gang cheated. They even created a virus.
    The memory of gnats and the personality to match.

    Say a prayer for George Floyd.

    Neil, have a drink, get drunk. Because you're a journalism.

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