Saturday, October 14, 2023

Mailbag

     A stressful, arduous, time-sucking week, for reasons beyond Israel — which is really saying something — and too complicated to explain. I'll write about it, eventually. Until then,  time to open up the mailbag with a few of the many emails inspired by my column on the enormity in Israel last Saturday. And to give you a heads up — if a post over the next few weeks is along the lines of, "Hi, busy, talk among yourselves," well, if you could, please roll with it. Lot going on.

Mr. Steinberg,

     Thank you for your op ed in yesterday's paper (How does this end?). I, like you, are not real hopeful. My daughter and I were discussing this tragedy the other day. My daughter, who is an atheist, said this, the worst thing to happen to the human race is religion. I think she might be right.

Susan L.
DeKalb IL

 Dear Ms. .L.:

     A lot of good comes from religion — Dante, Bach, cathedrals — but a lot of bad as well. I tend not to blame religion — I say it's like a hammer: you can build a house with it, or you can hit someone in the head. Same hammer. Ask the question this way: without religion, would human beings be kinder than they are? Probably not. Religion is just the vehicle for channeling that very human tendency to be monstrous. Thanks for writing

     NS

Mr. Steinberg,

     I have read your pieces in the Sun-Times for a long time. Noticeably absent in your piece “How does this end?” was the exploration of how apartheids and genocides have ended, not just political conflicts. Where was the comparison to the Khmer Rouge, Pinochet, Stalin, and colonizers of Africa and the Americas? And while it is not popular in America these days to address the irony and brutality of Israeli-led apartheid tactics and the genocide of Palestinians to Nazi Germany and the Gestapo, you are in a position to delve into this paradox. It’s a fine line to walk without being branded an antisemite, which I know you are not, but you are skilled enough to do it. I am a friend of Jews and Muslims who have family and coworkers in Israel and the occupied West Bank, and our text chains grapple with these issues more profoundly than your article. I challenge you to dig deeper and provide a more nuanced exploration and answers for your millions of readers to “how does it end” than “sit and watch in horror.” You were right that I didn't like your answer - not because it was a brutal truth, but because the question deserved more gradation and exploration. I look forward to future opinions.

Thank you.

Liz D.
     Dear Ms. D.:

     Those are some odd examples you bring up — I assume you just looked for history's villains. The Khmer Rouge won. So did Stalin, judging by the Putin era. The Blacks in South Africa were a huge majority, and they didn't go around killing Afrikaners. But I'm not sure what kind of dialogue can be had with someone who goes on about the brutality of the Israelis, without a word about the Palestinians' refusal to live in peace. A selective sensitivity for brutality. Where was your concern for collective punishment last Saturday? Or more to the point, what is your solution? Were you a Jewish Israeli, how eager would you be to live in a Palestinian state?
     That said, I'm sure you are sincere in your concern for this issue, and appreciate you writing.

      NS
 

     Can you please explain the facts around what others have said is the continuing Israeli encroachment and construction of homes in Palestinian territory?
     Thank you,
     Margaret B.
Why? What part don’t you understand?
     My understanding is Israel was not given all the territory after WWII that it is building homes on.
     Yes, and the United States was stolen from the Native-Americans. Yet if one were to kill your grandchildren, you would think poorly of him. Perhaps you might want to extend that same courtesy to the Israelis. Thanks for writing.

NS
Mr. Steinberg,

     Violence between a state and terrorists cannot go on forever and ever. It was unacceptable in Ireland with the British, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Kosovo, Algeria, and it is so between Israel and Hamas.
     Here are some ways to end it.
     The superpowers like a couple of the U.N. security council states must confront both Israel and Hamas and defang them both. Then while they bluster over being forced to disarm, the two sides must be put in a room and kept there until they work out a solution. If not two states, then an intermingled state. If not with their current leadership, then an entirely new set of leaders.
     Or, to borrow Thomas Friedman's word, these knuckleheads use nuclear weapons to shock themselves and the rest of the world into recognizing how this recurrent mayhem ends in searing light and heat and radioactivity. A nuclear weapon is a genie that must never be let out of the bottle, but I can in my worst nightmare imagine the cork pops off because of hate, anger and vengeance for continued wrongs. Lacking reasoned restraint, a nuclear explosion is too possible.
     Or, Israel is forced to vacate Palestine and given another land for their home. Yes, it's in their bible, but the bible is not a real estate covenant no matter the claims it makes. The Jewish people are wonderfully industrious, intelligent and purposeful. If they could make their current landscape bloom, they can do it again elsewhere. The Palestinians will receive their desired land, and the Jews keep their holy sites. I know this is pie in the sky, but anything is better than the blood-soaked sands.
     Or, a no man's land created by and operated by international peacekeepers who do not let hostilities disturb either side.
     Palestinians cannot be pushed into the sea. Jews cannot be eradicated. These recurrent outbreaks of murderous, destructive violence must not continue. The families on both sides, especially the children living through this horror have hate in their hearts. Somehow hope has to push out the hate.
     You, sir, cannot leave me, your reader, hanging in despair over the endless spate of violence. This must stop.
     Don
Dear Mr. N.:

     "Israel is forced to vacate Palestine and given another land for their home." Exactly what other land do you suggest? And how will the people who now have claim to that land feel about it being given away? I appreciate you sharing your plan with me, but it is not what I would call . . . practical.

     NS
Hamas-Israel war reveals university antisemitism

     Hi Neil – in the wake of Hamas' despicable attacks on Israel, many have been shocked to see the level of antisemitic vitriol coming out of America’s universities. . .

     "Reveals"?

 


     

23 comments:

  1. Don is a fool, does he actually think the feckless UN can do anything? The UN has a force in Southern Lebanon & Hezbollah keeps adding thousands of rockets & other weapons, while the UN's UNIFIL force does nothing & most likely helps out Hezbollah.
    And if he knew his history, one insane plan was to send the Jews to Uganda as a homeland!

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  2. Religion can also be helpful with charity.

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    1. As someone who has long been involved with an originally church-based charity aiding the homeless, I can tell you that religious organizations do not support human services at any greater rate than the general population. For both it amounts to about 3% of funds donated.

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  3. Is there a special consecrated word for the hatred of the Chinese? Objections to their oppression of the uighurs and others is not considered anti Chinese.

    University types object to the oppression of Palasintians. This is not necessarily antisemitism. Objecting to the magnitude of the israeli response is not anti semitism. continuing to support the cause of Palestinian freedom even after their armed incursion into occupied land is not antisemitism.

    I support the right of Israel to exist. Not the right to oppress the people who's land they stole. In this David and Goliath war that has raged off and on for decades people get killed and will continue to. There is no peaceful solution. I fear they will live in a state of conflict long into the future .

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    1. Jews didn't steal the land, as Jews have lived there in Israel longer than anyone else! And much of that land is a desert, that the Israelis made bloom, with their revolutionary drip irrigation systems, no copied the world over for arid irrigated lands.

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    2. Yes there are many wonderful things the Jewish people have accomplished. It's a beautiful country . Their ancestral home. I was here first is not always easy to prove especially from thousands of years ago.
      More recently Palestinians lived on land they legally owned with documentation. It was taken from them and they were forced to leave. Is that better Clark?

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  4. I visited you're site earlier this week and came across a draft regarding chipmunks and mothballs?

    I hope the difficulties of your week are as easy to untangle

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    1. If there are a lot of mothballs and they've disappeared somewhere within the brick foundations of your house, not so easy.

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    2. I stumbled upon that too, FME, but when I came back to read it, it was already gone. I assumed it was the next day's post, but was disappointed in that regard. We saw more chipmunks scurrying around Montrose Point last weekend than we ever have before.

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  5. While the Khmer Rouge won, their reign of terror was ended by the Vietnamese army, perhaps one of the most successful humanitarian interventions ever achieved. Israel is not going away (and of course it should not) so wouldn't it be good if the other Arab nations were part of the solution instead of fomenting hate and terror?

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  6. Neil, Ari Hanan Weisberg wrote a passage that has been shared on Facebook. He understands the complexity of the current situation in Israel and Gaza and communicates his anguish in a way that many of us have found quite moving.

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  7. I think autocorrect "mistyped" the name of the writer: His name is Ori Hanan Weisberg

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  8. I cannot in good conscience or good faith paint the current situation in black and white. First of all, how much of the news I see of Hamas beheading babies is veracious, how much is agitprop? Taking the reports at face value, I can only surmise that Hamas is a terroristic organization and its actions are barbaric in the extreme. As much as I hate the practice of "both-sides-ism", in this case it would be remiss to ignore the misery inflicted on the Palestinian population by the government of Israel, the aggression of radical "settlers" of the West Bank and the corruption of the Netanyahu regime. In no way are the actions of Hamas justified if the reporting is accurate, but putting a people in a pressure cooker and expecting it to not explode at some point is either foolhardy or a deliberate attempt to engage in wanton destruction while expecting to deflect the responsibility when the inevitable occurs. I am no antisemite, but I am also concerned about the humanity of the Palestinian people, indeed of every people. My wish is that this never happened; given that that is not possible, my wish is for the violence to end and a lasting peace to flourish, alas I don't see any possibility for this either, and I am not a praying man.

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  9. I enjoy reading your column and pray that whatever you're going through will get resolved soon.

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  10. Don, equating Israel with Hamas is like comparing the Democratic Party with the Proud Boys, at odds but different, scopes. I wrote the following last night, not sure if Israel has crossed their Rubicon. Somewhere between the Holocaust and Rape of Nanking, and African ethnic conflicts lies Hamas terror attacks . Heinous and unforgivable to wantonly attack civilians, killing babies, torturing and raping women and the elderly, then publishing their depravity for all the world to see. Hamas is evil to its core and Israel is justified in punishing its members. But, perhaps the history of the MidEast has so many shades of gray that todays leaders should stop and try again to come to an agreeable peace. Even if Israel has to make the first move, delay its retribution, which will most probably be a horror show best delayed anyway. In the mid '90s I met a young Palestinian, his American Muslim wife and young daughter. A nice family making their way in America. He had been expelled from Kuwait with all other Palestinians, and like the Diaspora he had no country. He was fortunate to come to the USA. Palestinians today are the unwanted, and many live in Gaza, essentially a ghetto, not so different an experience than ancestors of their Israeli neighbors. It's time for the greater Arab world to be a positive influence to peace, and for all sides to let go of the hate, a mutual sacrifice that in the end will make a better world for All. Dead babies on both sides should be enough to put an end to the dead end street they all travel on. Phil Ochs' words when writing about America's racial unrest, his song "In the Heat of the Summer" could be relevant again if the sweep of Gaza begins. "Now the rubble's resting on your broken streets, so you see what your rage has unraveled."

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  11. I suppose it takes all kind of people to express different POV. I’d like to go through each comment to poke holes in their thoughts. My post would just be like those. An atheist feels confirmed that religion and a the root of all evil. Another feeling the U.N. could step in - why here and not Ukraine? Everyone thinks they are in the right - whether a comment or an aggressive action. Dialogue is the only thing even close to a solution. This is Israel vs Hammas with innocent Palestinian and Israel families and communities caught in the middle.

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  12. 🚶🏽‍♀️Trans John/Karen 3/22October 14, 2023 at 2:14 PM

    Always with that ‘B’ word! I’m no antisemite, BUT…Right. Sure.
    Bizarre city council meeting in Chicago, with 33rd alderperson Rodriguez-Sanchez bemoaning the suffering her ‘Palestinian siblings?’ have to endure. Fellow council member Sigcho-López (25th) insisting U.S. profiteers make fortunes selling arms to Israel.
    Not much different from the ‘gentlewoman’ from the state of Georgia calling the President of Ukraine a pimp on national television. We know what she meant, and we know who the profiteers are, right? The last gentile profiteer was good old boy Rhett Butler. Uh huh.
    Other Arab nations? Their neighbors came to realize the hard way quite a while ago that the Israelis are not going to give up and jump into the Mediterranean Sea just because somebody scowls at them. The country being accused of encouraging Hamas, Iran, is, as must be pointed out every once in a while, NOT an Ay-rab nation, and is not a neighbor of Israel. Aside from their government’s often stated desire to annihilate all Jews and as many of their American supporters as need be, what interest in this struggle do they have?
    But gosh, all these people who think badly of Israel and the Jews? Guess what? The joke’s on you. It’s been going on for nearly 3,000 years now. They’re used to it.

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    1. And my wretched excuse for an alderman, Andre Vasquez of the 40th Ward,who also insists on being called an "alder", which is actually a tree, sent out his weekly email yesterday defending his unconscionable decision to abstain from voting because it didn't attack Israel for for the imagined crimes he & his fellow loons, the Democratic Socialists believe Israel has committed!
      I effect showing he has both the compassion & intelligence of a tree!

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    2. The bodies of the first victims were still warm when Republicans placed the blame on Biden, not surprising that the City Council would pile on. Just an observation, Israelis saying this was their 9/11 and pictures of Gaza bombed buildings looking a lot like NY Ground Zero. Can anything positive come out of this mess?

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    3. Please excuse the error. How about other Middle Eastern nations? Don't they all have an interest in living in peace and prosperity which they all would come closer to if they gave up this futile conflict?

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  13. They knew what they were getting into. I say let them vaporize each other.

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